I need to upgrade due to work and elvis has suggested an iPhone or blackberry.

I have been told that the iPhone is bad because of the upgrades or system updates and you can lose data.

Is this correct?

What are the worst things about the iPhone for you?

I don't want to become an iPhone wanker but the temptation is too strong

who the hell told you that? It backs up better than most phones Iv ever used (counting 24+ now)

My biggest gripe is I cant flag emails through exchange, besides that it does everything I need it to.

Plus the apps you get for it are awesome :D

I have a Blackberry and hate the damn thing so I dunno I'd probably go iPhone but then again I'm not that into phones and I'm sure there are others here whom know a heck more than I do about what's a good one and what features are great.

All I use my phone for is talking, SMSing and emails. BTW Why I hate my BB is because it seems to have constant reception issues and calls just disconnect all by themselves, frequently.

I used to have a Nokia 6110 Navigator and I really liked the GPS and mapping, other than it was a damn piece of s*** so I gave it to my son.

+1 to <3 iphone

iPhone "revolutionised" the whole idea of getting firmware upgrades and having proper backups. They're pretty reliable when it comes to your data.

However, be prepared to be locked out of functionality and access you might be used to, like SD card storage, file system access, and most bizarrely, notifications.

The iPhone backups are better than any other phone backup you can do. If you swap out your handset and restore from a backup, everything is restored. Message histories, call-logs, phone preferences, etc etc.

For personal use I would go with the iPhone for the pure application side of things.

If you're looking a business device then I prefer BBs.

3dee, what notifications are you referring to?

+1 for iPhone backups.

There don't seem to be very many other phone vendors on the market that can put together basic, decent software for phone<->PC connectivity let alone perform automated backups.

I whinge a lot about Apple vendor lock-in, but I will say they've pretty much got it covered when it comes to losing data via hardware failure.

who the hell told you that? It backs up better than most phones Iv ever used

Without playing chinese whispers a friend is talking to carriers at the moment for a business set up and a guy from Optus told her.

However, be prepared to be locked out of functionality and access you might be used to, like SD card storage, file system access, and most bizarrely, notifications.

Is this when a firmware/software update occurs?

For personal use I would go with the iPhone for the pure application side of things.

Most of my clients have iPhones and being able to sync calendars would be useful. But I also know this can be done with most phones these days.

I really have no idea what I want other than the ability to check emails on the run and organise clients.
I have a laptop so at home I will have no use for browsing.

I am looking at an iPhone because i think internet and emails would be better on a larger screen. Blackberrys just seem way too small for my liking. Plus a qwerty keyboard is only useful if you are typing with two hands.

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n900 is the way to go kathleen.

you will lose 10kg just from buying it

HTC HD2, 6.5 upgradeable to Win Phone 7.

No Itunes. Drag and drop file transfer.
Will play Divx.
5mp Camera w/ flash
Bigger, HD screen than Iphone.
Only $829 outright and it'll get cheaper in a month or so.

I HATE typing messages on iphone - i wish you could switch back to the old phone keypad.

Lose some weight and the keyboard is fine

iphone beats the s*** out of everything atm

The iPhone is a beautiful walled garden device.

Research the limitations carefully, if none of them are a deal-breaker for you then you'll probably think its the bees knees.

+1 to what Hogfather said.

For the many people who dont care about the limitations, the iPhone is a great device

iPhone FTW

Keep in mind who the audience is as well, its not aimed at net nerds. Its aimed at regular people.

I think for the most part, it suits its audience perfectly.

As far as UI goes, its the best.
As far as business security goes, its not quite as good as BB (or windows mobile)
As far as compatibility goes, its not always standards compliant, but since so many people have them, its fine. Most of my friends have them.

If you're choosing between a BB and an Iphone and you're not going to be connecting to a Blackberry Enterprise Server, you'd be dumb to go for the BB.

(Its a walled garden device too fyi)

3dee, what notifications are you referring to?

exactly! Nah I mean the only way you can find out what new emails, messages and whatever else new is by unlocking the home screen and looking at all the icons. The status bar has no notification icons like most smartphones (or phones, period).

You could have 5 new emails, a missed call and a new SMS but you don't really know about it until you look at the icons behind the lock screen.

Without playing chinese whispers a friend is talking to carriers at the moment for a business set up and a guy from Optus told her

I would not give that guy my business based on the fact he said that.

3dee, I know what you mean now. It would be nice to have that for email but I have txt and missed call notifications when my screen turns on without unlocking it?

I have a iPhone and a Bold 9000 ... I like the iPhone more but I guess it really comes down to personal preference.

My iPhone has lasted me longer than any of my previous phones have durability wise. I looked after it at first but now don't really give a f*** it has a few cracks in it and stuff but has never missed a beat, well nothing major that a quick restart couldn't fix. Love the apps and how easy the damn thing is to use.

Nah I mean the only way you can find out what new emails, messages and whatever else new is by unlocking the home screen and looking at all the icons. The status bar has no notification icons like most smartphones (or phones, period).

One of the main reasons I did a jailbreak was to add Notifier icons to the top bar and lock screen. Pity you have to go to this effort to have such basic phone functionality. Apple is great at user interfaces and packaging lots of technology together seamlessly. It's a shame they leave out the last 10% of features that are expected and have been standard practice in industry for years ...

http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~boldajis/images/sn.jpg

nokia e72

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I'm starting to hate my iphone, so no I wouldn't recommend it.. appz are great IF you use them.. I've had heaps of apps but in the end after all the novelty wears off, all I use the phone for is making/receiving calls and sms's aswell as playing mp3's (which any phone can do)..

plus itunes sucks cock I have found...

Yeah, I don't really care about which phone as long as it works and works well as a phone.

You could have 5 new emails, a missed call and a new SMS but you don't really know about it until you look at the icons behind the lock screen.

I hit the round button to light up the screen (as I'd assume you'd have to do on any locked phone?) and I see "new message : blah blah" or "1 missed call". Only one at a time but if you see anything there you know you have stuff to check out anyway, I don't really need a list of how many of what I received heh, just something to tell me to continue on unlocking and glance over the home screen.

What parabol has should be standard.

Woudln't use an iphone no keys.... prefer buttons as opposed to to a flat screen keypad. Nokia make some good phones :) But it sounds like you need something with some pda stuff, imate make some good phones. don't know what they are like these days though.

Without playing chinese whispers a friend is talking to carriers at the moment for a business set up and a guy from Optus told her.

I can't say I have ever heard of someone losing data on an iphone. The backup just works.

Then again anything is possible once people start syncing.

no feedback from keys is another of my issues.

no feedback from keys is another of my issues.

Yeah, I thought I'd hate that but don't really care now. It means I can't text while driving which is something I probably shouldn't have done anyway heh. But I'd prefer all the good that comes with the iPhone and take the bad then not have one at all after living with it for a while.

an iPhone is totally right for you Kat


what does your hubby use?

he abuses her of course!

don't expect blue tooth to work on your iphone.

yeh i love my iphone, just because it does everything i want and quite fast... i like to surf the net... get emails from exchange and imap servers... simple basic apps and store all my sms in chat like conversation without needing to delete my sms.... if a phone does that im happy... when i bought my phone the iphone was the only at the time that did all this :)

I love it!

don't expect blue tooth to work on your iphone.

What would you want bluetooth these days for other then headsets which work fine?

don't expect blue tooth to work on your iphone.



What would you want bluetooth these days for other then headsets which work fine?


Sending files from phone to phone, hooking up with certain cars.

Chermside Apple store today.
20 sales assistants
6 shoppers.

somethings going on in that store.

Changing jobs at the minute so looking for a phone. Use blackberry's (bold) at current work and they are really good for exchange/email etc. Phone calls do seem to cut out though, can't use the GPS as blackberry haven't included Australia on the list of countries the maps are available in (unless there is another application for it?). I actually prefer the curve (the non-qwerty kb) as it has great predictive text whereas the bold does not. Does the iphone have predictive text? Oh, and E71's are utter s*** do not get one.

I'm going for a 6710 personally. Don't want a full qwerty KB and I have some odd fascination with GPS navigation.

don't expect blue tooth to work on your iphone.

Works for my GPS, headset, laptop, maza in car kit, toyota in car kit and the nissan in car kit.

As for sending files...I just email them.

As for sending files...I just email them.

Exactly, I thought it was weird when the missus said people bluetoothed pictures between each other at her work. I was like "whaaa? People still do that?" heh. In the day and age of internet packs, huge capped plans even when I had a phone that allowed it I'd email or mms, was just quicker and easier over "ohhh can you turn on your bluetooth? OK, now type in the key, oh wait I gotta do it. Nope still not working, lets try starting again" blah blah heh.

Had choice of BlackBerry or Nokia e71 at work, tried blackberry, found it to be annoying and s***ty. Loving the e71.

I can't imagine anything worse than dragging and dropping > 10 gig of media.

I can't imagine anything worse than dragging and dropping > 10 gig of media.

i can think of lots of things

But can you imagine them? >.<

just buy an iphone, if it ends up sucking, cancel ur contract, don't pay the cancellation fees, and when collection companies come knocking, pay a lawyer 3k/day to get out of it

Hmm I just spent the afternoon jailbreaking my new-ish 3GS.

Turns out that new iPhones can only get to 'tethered jailbreak' state - which means that to restart the phone (power down and up again) I need to re-run the JB app (connect to an iTunes-enabled computer). Without that after powering it on it just sits there in dfu state (iTunes logo thingy).

I quite like it JB'd - but I'm not sure I like it that much. Will wait and see how much of a pain in the arse it is to tether it in order to turn on from a powered-down state.

Hog, that's a little strange. I didn't have that problem at all. Did you use blackra1n?

Why couldn't they spell it as 'Blackrain' instead of 'Blackra1n?'

Coz its a hacker who wrote it, of course. On that note, why couldn't they just call it "iPhone OS Jailbreaker".

Why would you hack the iPhone? Is there any issue with just using it as is?

I dont have mine jailbroken, I dont because I find it slows the phone down after a while. I tried it initially but got bored.

I use my phone for email a lot, yesterday I used it all day as I was out of the office and it rocked. Once you get used to typing it is easy.

You may have issues if you think you can use your nails to operate it tho, that wont work. Has to be a finger.

Hog, that's a little strange. I didn't have that problem at all. Did you use blackra1n?

Yeh ... its a problem with the newest 3GS phones, apparently its unpossible at the moment =\ There's info in the whirlpool thread and a bunch of places online about it if you google "untethered iPhone 3GS jailbreak".

The same blackra1n exe worked on my old phone fine.

But can you imagine them?

wow, i actually despise you right now.

Can an iPhone connect to a local network and use that bandwidth instead of the 3g bandwidth?

Yes, it's dead simple to set it up so it connects to wifi networks when in range. This pretty much applies to all new smartphones though.

I am worried that I have no use for the iphone and will end up getting it and fluffing it out for the sake of fluffing it out.
I was worried about the size of the iPhone as I want to be able to pocket it like I do my nokia 1110.
I looked at reviews for the Nokia e72 and it looked really good. Although it's the same size as the iPhone.

I keep coming back to the iPhone but I can't put my finger on why I need an iPhone. Had a fiddle this morning and was able to use the keypad pretty easily, which no doubt would get easier with time.

gah, not a single phone in this thread is any good. There is no good phones at the moment. If google made the iphone i'd probably buy one but theres no way im forking out for something that i dont have full control of.

n900 is the way to go kathleen.

you will lose 10kg just from buying it

maybe if it ever comes to australia but im pretty sure that ships sailed.


e: no im not gonna import, i cant afford to be without my phone for months on end when it f***s up

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I am worried that I have no use for the iphone and will end up getting it and fluffing it out for the sake of fluffing it out.

Actually the iPhone is sorta the opposite way around. Before I had an iPhone, I rarely bothered using all the features, but now (and probably with decent alternative smartphones) you tend to use the net, gaming, apps, maps and all that a hell of a lot more, which is why there's a big push for mobile data plans and big quotas.

I was worried about the size of the iPhone as I want to be able to pocket it like I do my nokia 1110.

The iPhone fits in your pocket pretty well as it rounded and pretty smooth. I don't even notice it half the time. The Nexus One seems to be pretty sleek like the iPhone too, unlike the fugly Motorola Droid.

I looked at reviews for the Nokia e72 and it looked really good. Although it's the same size as the iPhone.

I don't really bother looking at Nokia phones anymore. I would say an Android, iPhone or Blackberry would be better. Mainly to do with the fact they run Symbian OS /yuck

nokia confirmed the release of the n900 in australia.

umm im pretty sure they havnt, the 3gs one anyway

i've been comparing the iphone directly to the samsung omnia windows mobile.

There is no problems with putting the iphone in your pocket, they are very thin and not that big.

The touch is specifically why you would want the iphone. After playing with a few smartphones there is nothing quite as crisp and quick as the iphone interface. I type nearly twice as fast on the iphone compared to the samsung.

In a different price range, would be flaggers android phone whatever it is. That s*** is hot. :(

Omnia... Yuck. Our singer had one and ditched it for the iPhone, happily.

nokia confirmed the release of the n900 in australia.

when? I haven't seen anything official or heard anything from our nokia cats

http://mobicity.com.au/ is usually good place to keep your eye on

Do all apps use bandwidth?

Like Bejewelled 2, if I play that does it run off the phone or does it run off a server somewhere?

Kat, if you install a single player game it shouldn't use bandwidth. Generally apps ask before connecting to the net anyway (the first time atleast) for scores etc.

Apps download to the phone and you play it from there.

Things that require the internet (Shazam, BOM, etc) require internet.

http://i.imgur.com/iXPNO.jpg

it should tell you on the app page if it uses bandwidth.

OK So the navigator phones had some recall going on so I couldn't buy one, and ended up with an N97. God, what a s*** phone. should have got the iphone methinks... :(

Tell them there is a fault with it, take it back to the store and get it swapped for a different model. I know 3 will do that.

I went from an iphone to an N97 when they first came out and yes, it was a s*** phone. Whoever is comparing an omnia is on drugs, it was worst.

I love my N97 :) Great camera. if they could implement a Blackberry style email interface it would be the bees knees.

Tell them there is a fault with it, take it back to the store and get it swapped for a different model. I know 3 will do that.

Err, 1) they'd have to replicate the fault 2) they'd just swap it for another one of the same, not change it to a different model.

errr, Iv done it :)

and they will swap it with a different model if you request

How do you attach two photos in one email?

Go to photos app. Select photo library with the photos you want to share. Hit the share icon in the bottom left. Select photos you want to share. Hit share. Hit email.

Thanks. That's pretty specific. I don't think I would have found that out for myself. Once you go into a photo you can only send that photo. If you go into email you can only choose one.

I don't think I've ever sent a photo via my iPhone... I just worked it out when you asked ;) I usually just keep my photos synced and send them from my MacBook.