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6 August 1997; Korean Air 747-300; Agana, Guam USA: The aircraft crashed about three miles (4.8 km) short of the runway during a night time approach in heavy rain. Twenty one of the 23 crew members and 207 of the 231 passengers were killed.

1 September 1983; Korean Air Lines 747-200; near Sakhalin Island, Soviet Union: The aircraft was shot down by at least one Soviet air to air missile after the 747 had strayed into Soviet airspace. All 240 passengers and 29 crew were killed.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
I've gotta fly with those f***ers in just over a week!

Hold me, I'm scared!

haha, nice knowin' ya :)

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think of it like going on a roller coaster

Oh, like that one in Japan that goes from 0 -> 172km/h in 1.8 seconds?

Oh well, at least it sounds like the death will be quick, unlike all those poor people packed into economy class with a pitchfork and some pepper spray, at least some of them may die from Deep Vein Thromobosis giving you and your family somewhere to say your last rights!

Korean airlines have THE worst safety record of any of the major airlines. Its because they stick their most experienced pilots with some pilots that just got their wings, so there is a severe lack of communication on the flight deck and the junior pilot might not bring sometihng to the senior pilots attention in case he is wrong. So then the plane goes down

Lol... that must be nice to know just before you fly with them!
Go Singapore Airlines - they rock and 99% of the stewardesses are hot!

Just swim over to japan...she'll be right, mate.

sif u would make a post about this

Sif you wouldn't.

lol

well I didnt give exocets confidence any boosts :D

Cool Anarot! I'm flying Singapore long haul all the way from here to SIN and then to Frankfurt in just over a week, and then back again 2 weeks later, I can't wait now :-).

Seriously though, sif the personal screens in the back of the seats don't rock...

they're s*** as

the screens? beats having to put up with whatever tripe they mandate you have to watch on the main screen on the normal airlines...

oh u mean them, nah there ok

i think lyco should spam more, thats what i think

Damn straight, note that I would have lost probably less than 50 posts when the counters got set back about 3 months :-).

edit - damn f***ing less than signs...

heh, that and seeing u post is like finding gold, i'ts rare.

what u been doing, work stuff i bet, damn real life

haha

Better stop posting then, hadn't i. :-)

edit - oops, there was a second line, yep, work, uni, drunken debauchery, you name it. Anything but forum dwelling really...

You should dwell, it's amusing

i just got up and my head hurts

I went to france with Japan airlines last year. Was pretty good, and nice service n stuff. Stewardess chicks always running around seein if u want anything...

Korean airlines are great, so long as they're not doing secret spy operations for the CIA :P

I went to france with Japan airlines last year.

IM TALKING KOREAN AIRLINES!


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well duh! i know that.

i didnt say you werent gonna die. :)

lol...
Yeah lyco I flew with them all the way to China and back (with stops in Singapore) and they are really awesome. The little screens are pretty good and they have an awesome variety or new release and classic movies. And the stewardesses are hot as in those sweet Singaporean outfits :) I have to get one of those for my gf... (she is from Singapore).

Cool, well I got 20 hours in the air with them both ways, as well as a tiny bit on Lufthansa at the end of the trip as well, should be good. It's the freezing cold in Europe after that that I'm not looking forward to :(.

Korean airlines have THE worst safety record of any of the major airlines. Its because they stick their most experienced pilots with some pilots that just got their wings, so there is a severe lack of communication on the flight deck and the junior pilot might not bring sometihng to the senior pilots attention in case he is wrong. So then the plane goes down

Umm so what do you do with the new pilots?

WOO WOO I KNOW put them in planes with less experianced pilots because somehow they will have better flight deck communication because they will both get flustered and understand each other!!!!

Does it make sense to anyone else that you would group your most experiance pilots with your newest pilots, so the newer ones can learn what to do from a old master of the skies?

If you want to fling blame mindlessly and with out any real idea ... You might want to blame the training organisation that allows people to get there wings and yet be scared to bring across something that might be a problem. Lets not even suggest that the co-pilot is to bring stuff to the attention of the pilot, even if he is unsure of it ... Just incase.

you put them as flight engineers or second officers until they have lots of hours and experience doing that, then you promote them to first officer, then pilot, or you set them to work flying the regional routes in turboprops until they graduate to jets.

You dont get a pilot that has just completed his ATP s*** and stick him on a jet airliner, this is what KAL do. Not only KAL do this, lots of airlines do it but KAL seem unlucky

its the culture of these asian countries not to question your boss/superior...my uncle is a captain for qantas and he has to me some pretty unbelievable stories about the asian pilots

thats something I meant to point out as well.

like?

like your an idiot...more info please

bulls*** artist

how am i bulls*** artist?

first u tell your uncle is a captain for qantas and he has some pretty unbelievable stories about the asian pilots and then u when i ask u like u say i am an idiot

pilots talk to other pilots...

f***off troll

it was good for me too.

u jsut wish that i am a troll so u can screw me

Zeratul:

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Funny I was pretty sure that a Flight Engineers duty was to check all the things that could go wrong all the tmie ...

Like engines and cabin pressure.

This from Avjobs.com

Flight Engineers

The position of flight engineer, or second officer, exists only on some of the large jet planes. Smaller airliners-as well as the newest large aircraft-have only a two-person flight crew, consisting of the first officer and captain. Functions of the flight engineer include inspecting the aircraft and overseeing fueling operations before flight. During the flight, the flight engineer monitors the performance of the engines and cabin pressurization, air conditioning, and other systems. Some flight engineers are not pilots and remain in their position for their entire careers, while others become flight engineers strictly as a stepping stone to a "front row seat" as airline pilot.

If what you are saying is true (that they suck so badly because they are new)... Then they are still going to suck badly here ...

Lastly if your going to blame asian culture for it ... why do so many other asian airlines have much better safty records?

The suck part would be the 2 in ten chance of being shot down by the russians and the one in ten chance of a bomb.

Yeah, its nothing to do with Asian culture.... Sing. Air is awesome.

2 in 10 chance of being stupid enough to stray over an incredibly sensitive Russian military installation, even after being warned about it and being told to turn away.

Looking through that list, I only see seven - three of which were related to cold war tensions with Russia.

Korean airlines have THE worst safety record of any of the major airlines.

...ignoring Garuda, Aeroflot, United, and many more airlines. KAL is safe when compared to some top-tier airlines

Its because they stick their most experienced pilots with some pilots that just got their wings, so there is a severe lack of communication on the flight deck and the junior pilot might not bring sometihng to the senior pilots attention in case he is wrong. So then the plane goes down

Again, kernel of truth, not the whole story. There was an incident with a China Airlines flight a few years back where the FO didn't tell the Captain that they were doing something wrong and they crashed the plane. There's a general sterotype because of this and a few other incidents that their culture gets in the way of safe flying.

KAL isn't like that - they've had a recent influx of ex-Qantas pilots (including an immediate family member of mine), and that whole cultural attitude of "Don't correct the captain" isn't present at KAL, which is good to know.

However, "Always respect the captain" is, as it is at many other airlines including Qantas (next time you're behind a QF captain at an airport and he tells a bad joke, watch for how many crew members around him try to fake a laugh)

Exo, when/where are you flying?

i wich i can do that to some on. then i'll fly a plane in to him :)......BOOOOOOOM!!

On the 7th, I'm leaving for Narita Airport in Tokyo, with a stop-over in Seoul.

There was a great quote about airline safety in the brilliant Michael Chrichton novel Airframe...it pointed out that people dont give it a second thought about driving a car when they have had a little (or in some cases, a lot) to drink, yet worry when getting onboard a plane. The chances of being injured or killed are considerably higher in a car.