pity you wasted MANY a buck on your retarded procedure, because now you're able to head to Brazil to get your only feel of a vagina

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i dont think einstein comes here anymore

come to think of it, i havent seen it on SAU in a while either

lol, i think this thread says more about berlin wall then einstein

^^ that he has been around more than 11 post?

Einy goes to motherLAN :(

hmmm...
this might open the door to a whole array of operations that could arguably relate to sexual identity.

can't they just be given a shot or something to cure the underlying attention-seeking issue?
surely there's patches for stuff other than nicotine addiction

are you talking about for einstien or the dude that started this thread

Are you suggesting that the OP is a bit of a blubbering vagina?

I think that is a step in the right direction - the fact they recognise it as a genuine issue... but even if you could just fly over and get it done you would then get NO support in Australia after you return.

i dont think einstein comes here anymore

s/he reads qgl all the time

I also agree that it is a good move. Gender identity disorder is real and many people suffer from it.

The only thing worse than a f***** is a f***** who doesn't know he's a f*****.

Actually the majority of men who feel that they are a woman still prefer women, so it's nothing to do with homosexuality.

Haha... well it is homosexuality because they turn into lesbians... haha... hahahaha

I think that is a step in the right direction - the fact they recognise it as a genuine issue.

Serious? I completely disagree. I see it as the same as any other elective surgery, ie: they're not going to die or painfully suffer without having it done (suicide and depression are a separate issue).

I mean, I don't give a s*** if someone wants to change their gender, that's their prerogative, but to suggest that society should foot their bill? A constitutional right? f*** that. How is it any different than the government paying for people's botox or tit implants?

hey, let's not be too quick to diss the idea of the government paying for bigger boobs

Hey man if you're willing to pay for men getting bigger boobs then by all means, as long as you leave the rest of society out of this.

Sort of on topic...

Anyone see the doco on SBS last night about that big beauty pagent (like miss world/universe) in Thailand for transvestites?

Pretty whacked out but funny watch. Some very convincing tranny's and some extremely suss ones too.

Dan - It isn't about having bigger boobs or a straighter nose. It is clear that you don't acknowledge depression as something serious? That people choose to get depressed?

they're not going to die or painfully suffer without having it done (suicide and depression are a separate issue).

So burn victims who will still survive shouldn't be given publicly funded skin graphs? After all why do they want to make themselves prettier, or give themselves back their sense of identity? right?

This issue is a lot deeper than just going "You know what? I want boobs and a new vagina"

So burn victims who will still survive shouldn't be given publicly funded skin graphs? After all why do they want to make themselves prettier, or give themselves back their sense of identity? right?

Worst argument ever!

Back to the drawing board, that one is not going to fly.

Unfortunately it's a very misunderstood disorder. Medically it is recognised that some people are born as the wrong sex. Typically it's males believing they are females and it generally starts from a very young age, like 4 - 10 years. It's not cosmetic.

ie: they're not going to die or painfully suffer without having it done (suicide and depression are a separate issue)

I think you'll find that's quite incorrect.

I don't think kat's argument is wrong... maybe not the best example but what she is getting at is correct.

Worst argument ever!

It may be a poor anology, but the idea behind it is still there.

It isn't about getting free plastic surgery. It is about restoring ones identity. We offer that to other victims, why should these people be any different?

It is a valid argument if you think about it, but for purpose of realism... pretend you're trying to convince the general Australian public, that argument wouldn't hold for 1 second.

Where's this money going to come from anyway? Mental health is already underpaid, understaffed and in a general s*** frenzy from people with clear cut serious mental illness... they don't have time for people being depressed (who isn't these days?) from having a sausage instead of a hole.

CHUB: We could always take it away from security :D

I don't think it should be something that we should bring in tomorrow, but I do think it being recognised in another country is a good step in understanding and accepting this as a real disorder. I would hope that it raises debate in this country and our politicians look at what they could offer in the way of support for people suffering from it. I don't know if I would say that this kind of support should go before any other mental health issue but I do think we need to fix the mental health in this country before we start bringing in surgeries like this.

Baby steps is a good thing in my opinion. It doesn't mean I think it should override other issues though.

It is clear that you don't acknowledge depression as something serious?

Oh get f***ed. I even said in my post that suicide and depression are a separate issue.

Depression is indeed serious, but the government should not be funding every personal instant-fix remedy for it, especially when it's surgical procedures that cost thousands of dollars.

So I'll counter your bad analogy one just as bad. Hey, I'm super sad all the time and will probably kill myself but I know if I could see clowns every day they'd make me happy and I'd be all better, please government give me thousands of dollars to pay said clowns for the rest of my life.

And for the record, no, I don't think burn victims should be given publicly funded skin graphs(sic) if it's purely for the sake of their appearance.

In Australia to have the surgery you have to go through years of seeing doctors and psychologists and then you have to go through the surgery and then heaps of follow up visits, so it's not exactly a "quick fix". Like I said earlier, people usually know they were born the wrong gender from a very very early age and spend most of their lives in absolute misery...

Unfortunately some people choose to go to Malaysia (I'm not entirely sure it's Malaysia but it's a similar asian country) to get the operations done over there instantly which is usually not a good thing because it is more of an "instant" fix. Having the government control it is a good thing IMO irl.

Hahaha, public health policy is ALWAYS try the cheapest drug and/or intervention first then move up the ladder.

There will never be a day you can walk into a public system and say "i feel like a girl, gimmie a sex change". it wont happen.

#2, psychological disorders arent even on the "treat to fix it" regime such as a broken leg for example.
Its on a "treat to make the person as functional as possible in society without harming themselves/others in as least restrictive and invasive way as possible and provide support". some people make full recoveries, others don't.

So, you wont ever see this s*** footed by your taxes in the next few tens of years so EASILY as that. Disorders are caused by a wide range of problems in the brain, including neurological, chemical and organic, as well as behavioural and pyschosocial factors.

Thinking you can just cut someones cock off and give them a vag and think their problems will go away is STUPID STUPID STUPID, naive or ignorance - take your pick.
These people have massive underlying pyschosocial problems you have no idea about that needs attention first and foremost (billy kinda said it above too)

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Unfortunately some people choose to go to Malaysia (I'm not entirely sure it's Malaysia but it's a similar asian country) to get the operations done over there instantly which is usually not a good thing because it is more of an "instant" fix.

How come you think that's not a good thing? Just because they have s***ty doctors or some other reason?

It is about restoring ones identity.

Restoring implies it was taken away. This is incorrect. While they are changing their identity to suit their mental state it isn't a case of restoring it.

Your analogy of a burn victim is flawed for this very reason. a burn victim has been harmed/disfigured in a fire and hence attempting to restore them to their previous physical appearance on the public coin is acceptable.

I agree with Dan on this one. if they wish to fund it themselves then it is their choice, i would even go as far as support their right to change their sex on their license, tax file number etc, but i don't believe it should be government funded.

If after living as a female and taking the hormones and the compulsorily psychiatric visits they want to go all the way then I believe it should be up to them to foot the bill.

This issue I really don't get. To me it seems that people that suffer 'Gender Identity Disorder' have real deep down issues. They don't accept themselves for who they are. Getting the operation is almost showing proof to yourself that you do not accept yourself as you are and that you need surgery to change it. Even when that is done, deep down you still know that the bits are fake and you still were born of the sex that you genetically really are.

So I don't understand how getting the operation will make you accept who you really are, if anything it is simply a Mask to the outside world.

How come you think that's not a good thing? Just because they have s***ty doctors or some other reason?

Because they don't have to go through any screening process to make sure that they are making the right decision and when they come back to Australia the doctors here apparently won't treat any problems they have associated with the surgery.

You're only saying that because it has happened to you at least 2.5 times before.

Because they don't have to go through any screening process to make sure that they are making the right decision and when they come back to Australia the doctors here apparently won't treat any problems they have associated with the surgery.

Yeh, fair enough, except maybe they should have thought of that before they decided to CHANGE THEIR GENDER.

At some point you have to just let people take responsibility for their own actions though, surely!

In Brazil they don't really consider your gender what you're genetically born with. Gender there is identified by behaviour, such as taking it.

Someone may think they need a sex change, but all they really need is a suit made out of women's skin. Having watched the Silence of the Lambs documentary I can see one case where screening for gender change caused more problems then it prevented.

I thought there were genetic indicators for the condition Hardball is referring to (where men think they are women because they actually have a womans brain and vice versa). If so, I definately think these should be paid for by the government as I doubt they would have the money to pay for it for themselves and they will no doubt be suffering without the operation.

As for the dirty perves, they can pay for it themselves.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/tv/shestheman250a.jpg

I think we should rid the earth of all f***ing weirdos like this.

Peace

Well no, because that would rid the world of most, if not all humans. Everyone has their own issues, some are easier to spot then others.

why are you such a hippy toll

seriously though, has anyone who has gone as far as 'the chop' (sex reassignment) ever been 'cured' by it?

surely there would be proportionate issues caused by having one's genitalia mutilated into a ghastly vag-like flap of skin that surely convinces no one

Toll: you're included in my list. Get out

why are you such a hippy toll

Because I have long hair.

at least they can't reproduce and pass on their crazyness to future generations

and i (for some unknown reason) read the tranny thread on sa and einstein regularly cites qgl as a cessped of ignorance and abuse in his "struggle" and uses it as evidence that brisbane on a whole is a extremely ignorant and homophobic/whatever city

also 6.5 months in south america so far and haven't felt up a cock, yay for me

And for the record, no, I don't think burn victims should be given publicly funded skin graphs(sic) if it's purely for the sake of their appearance.

You ever heard of karma dude? Does you stance include car crash victims, work accidents, plane crash victims, counseling for rape because after all they just want their "mental" appearance back, hey why not child abuse suffers they are just after a free hand out as well. I have no problem with our health system helping out burn victims, because after all if it stops them from getting looks from ignorant cock suckers like you. If by bad luck you end getting burnt I won't complain about my tax dollars helping you.

Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward; karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to others.

and i (for some unknown reason) read the tranny thread on sa and einstein regularly cites qgl as a cessped of ignorance and abuse in his "struggle" and uses it as evidence that brisbane on a whole is a extremely ignorant and homophobic/whatever city

Brisbane wouldn't be an extremely ignorant and homophobic city if fags, queens, nips, n*****s, rag heads, spics, gooks, trannys, and dykes would just f*** off..

Well, the dykes can stay but only if they let us watch.

You ever heard of karma dude? Does you stance include car crash victims, work accidents, plane crash victims, counseling for rape because after all they just want their "mental" appearance back, hey why not child abuse suffers they are just after a free hand out as well. I have no problem with our health system helping out burn victims, because after all if it stops them from getting looks from ignorant cock suckers like you. If by bad luck you end getting burnt I won't complain about my tax dollars helping you.

I'm pretty sure Toll said "purely for the sake of their appearance". None of the things you've mentioned are about are purely for the sake of the persons appearance, they all have other, extremely valid, medical reasons.

I'm pretty sure Toll said "purely for the sake of their appearance". None of the things you've mentioned are about are purely for the sake of the persons appearance, they all have other, extremely valid, medical reasons.

I think if you ask a burns burns doctor they might very well tell you that they are valid. How can one say that it is purely for the appearance. I find people who have little or no compassion for other people pathetic, they are all tough until the s*** hits the fan. I challenge him to show his nuts and walk into a burns ward and demand his medicare back from all those vain burn victims. I have a fair idea he would not do it because he does not believe his own words.

Well, the dykes can stay but only if they let us watch.

not the butch ones

I would like to point out that I have said nothing about burn victims.

What I have said is that I don't understand how getting a sex change will 'fix' someone with gender identity disorder, as surly deep down they still know that genetically they are still the same sex as they were born.

I can understand a burn victim wanting surgery so that other people will view them without feelings of disgust. It can easily be considered as nessesary so that person can function as a normal human being within society.

The sex change opperation still seems to me as a cosmetic surgery. The person can still function and pass as a normal human being without it.
Otherwise, would you consider it acceptable for the state to pay for woman with small boobies or men with tiny weenies to have them cosmetically 'enhanced'. As these percieved short comings can negativily affect the mental state of the person suffering it?

I would like to point out that I have said nothing about burn victims.

It wasn't you I was referring to dude it was Dan. He is just another softcock who acts all tough but has no real balls and hides under the covers to make f***ing statements that he would never make outside in the real world because he knows how dumb he would look.

burn victims, along with cellulite legs and god ugly faces make me dry reach

so i have no problem with the government paying for burns victims, lypo suction, nose jobs, boob jobs and abortions

it could go under a 'lets make australia hawt' tax

I agree with most that it's a cosmetic surgery. it's that persons choice to have that surgery.

On the burn victims front, i think sking graphs are fine to restore that persons physical appearance, in fact i'd say it's part of the treatment, this wasn't [most likely] a voluntary incident.

But DirtyApe's declaration of running into a hospital and demanding money back is rediculous and poorly thought out.

And the only reason einstein got the reaction he did here is because he reacted to it. Like most people, i couldn't have given a s***, but it sure was fun to see him go off.

Skin is the largest part of your immune system.
Burn victims need skin graphs.

Secondly, burns victims etc. didnt CHOOSE to change their appearance from what was, to what is. So why shouldn't they be allowed to have surgery to revert back to their former appearance? I have no problem with my tax dollars going towards this.

Think about how you would feel if you were disfigured from an accident (or worse from soemone setting you alight)... imagine how you would feel meeting new poeple, socialising, or trying to pick up girls.....

Disfigurements like those destroy a persons sense of self. To say they don't deserve the right to have publicly funded means to attempt to restore that, from something they did not wish upon themselves is bulls***.

Bet your tunes would change if it happened to you and you couldn't foot the tens of thousands of thousands of dollars for dozens of surgeries.

And the only reason einstein got the reaction he did here is because he reacted to it. Like most people, i couldn't have given a s***, but it sure was fun to see him go off.

It's not like QGL has a history of understanding and unit (outside of LANs and Mav). In fact, QGL is known as a place of antagonistic, sarcastic, flaming for fun and profit. I believe that he wanted the drama to attempt to prove some point.

Imagine if you walked into a feminist group meeting and asked "which one of you little cumcatchers wants to make my dinner and suck my dick". That's the kind of moronic action that Einstein did.

All you gotta do is run into NOW headquarters or Ms. magazine and say, "hey, which one of you cute little cupcakes wants to come home and cook me a nice meal and give me a blowjob!" "blowjob!" Oh. Oh, that pisses them off. You want to piss off a feminist, call her a cum-catcher. That'll get her attention. Aww don't act disgusted. Don't act disgusted. Half of you are going to go home and go down on each other tonight remember? If you're willing to swallow cum, let's not make believe something I said was disgusting. Okay? Huh? All right, let's not have a double standard here, one standard will do just fine.

Are you attacking someone else through my post?

did your quote stuff up?

But DirtyApe's declaration of running into a hospital and demanding money back is rediculous and poorly thought out.

It was in reaction to some cock saying he didn't think it should be funded by the public. If he doesn't think they deserve go tell them, which he won't of course because that was my whole point. Can you see I was just been stupid to show just how stupid that opinion is about burn victims.

paging mrs garrison

I have no problem with our health system helping out burn victims, because after all if it stops them from getting looks from ignorant cock suckers like you.

f*** you for ignorantly assuming that I give burn victims 'looks'. a******.

I make a point of not looking at the freaks.

It was in reaction to some cock saying he didn't think it should be funded by the public. If he doesn't think they deserve go tell them, which he won't of course because that was my whole point. Can you see I was just been stupid to show just how stupid that opinion is about burn victims.

Did someone let hunter back into the forums?