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Topic: Anybody with chemistry (titration knowledge)?
CHUB
Posts: 2077
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It's pretty simple stuff, but I'm stumped about assaying the amount of iodine I2 in a solution.

The first reaction was titrating sodium thiosulfate Na2S2O3 into a solution containing KIO3, KI and Hcl acid, so...

6S2O3(2-) +IO3(-) +6H(+) ---> 3H2O + I(-) +3S4O6(2-)

Anyway, the KIO3 was the standard, standardized the Na2S2O3 through titration.

Then we're given an unknown solution, that we just titrate with Na2S2O3 till end point. It was to know the mass of I2 in the unknown solution.

I basically need the number of moles between I2 and Na2S2O3... the only ratio I can think of (from the information I got) is where you add KI and Hcl acid to the KIO3 solution to liberate the iodine.

IO3(-) + 5I(-) + 6H(+) ---> 3I2 + 3H20

If the unknown solution was indeed the same as the solution I made... would the ratio of 6/3 be the figure I want to use in my calculations to find the mass of iodine.

Thanks in advance.

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Spook
Posts: 18555
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
also, anyone with chemistry knowledge?

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Tael
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
ive got all these cold and flu tablets i need borken down, coz ive got a really, really, really bad flu (honest)
First, you need some road flares...
Jabroney
Posts: 595
Location: Queensland
christ thats all coming back to me

i did this all about 1.5years ago, i woulda been able to do it for ya then.

i might have a think about it later, mentally drained atm
existence`
Posts: 6206
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
haha holy s*** nostalagia 2 the max..

cant remember at all tho. all i remember is titration was with those long f***en tube things and u had to do it just until the liquid color changed!

sup VHA3 in chemistry wasted to a life of binge drinking / drug abuse
rubba-chikin
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
mmmmm tit ration, sign me up for a daily dose please!
Superform
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Location: Cairns, Queensland
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qmass
Posts: 8649
Location: Queensland
I could be way wrong but lets guess:

Because the potassium iodate solution you make has no free iodine you add the potasium iodine and excess H+ to liberate iodine and for this you would use your initial equation.

The unknown has liberated iodine, which is what you are trying to find the concentration of. In that case the reaction between iodine and the sulfate ion would be I2 + 2S2O3(2-) -> 2I(-) + S4O6(2-) this is what gives you the stoichiometric coefficients for your unknown.

last edited by qmass at 23:41:00 09/May/07
Strange Rash
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CHUB
Posts: 2078
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The unkown has liberated iodine, which is what you are trying to find the concentration of. In that case you are using the 6:1 ratio.
Though you said...
I2 + 2S2O3(2-) -> 2I(-) + S4O6(2-)
If the unknown solution was just liberated iodine... then you only need 2 moles of sodium thiosulfate to each mole of iodine, 2:1?

* Also we used Potassium Iodate as the standardizing agent.. that was 6:1


last edited by CHUB at 21:49:25 09/May/07
maxe
Posts: 12537
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
everyone who did chemistry is a fag imo
qmass
Posts: 8652
Location: Queensland
The unkown has liberated iodine, which is what you are trying to find the concentration of. In that case you are using the 6:1 ratio.

Though you said...

I2 + 2S2O3(2-) -> 2I(-) + S4O6(2-)

If the unknown solution was just liberated iodine... then you only need 2 moles of sodium thiosulfate to each mole of iodine, 2:1?

* Also we used Potassium Iodate as the standardizing agent.. that was 6:1
Yes, I had it around the wrong way cause my post reply box is too small and I had them mixed up.

The unkown has free iodine and reacts with the thiosulfate (hence I2 + 2S2O3)

You initially standardised your Sodium thiosulfate with free iodine that was liberated when you added the potasium iodine (KI) to the potasium iodate (KIO3) and H(+) (from HCL) prior to each titration. When the KI is added the solution turns brown becuase iodine has been liberated. The reaction is given by 6S2O3(2-) + IO3(-) + 6H(+) -> etc (net ionic equation, the spectator ions are left out)

So 6:1 for the standardisation of your thiosulfate and 2:1 for your determination of iodine in the unknown.

last edited by qmass at 23:43:35 09/May/07
Jabroney
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Location: Queensland
just incase ppl browsing these forums didn't think we were nerds...
Crizane Tribal
Posts: 1731
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Faaaaaaark, all my chemestry knowledge from 5 years ago came back to haunt me.
Jim
Posts: 5659
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
right
CHUB
Posts: 2080
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Right on qmass! The reaction makes perfect sense now.

Cheers!
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