that said, whos heard about this? apparantly nearly all muslims around the world have been pushed to the point of death threats and putting bounties on people's heads. they have told counties (such as sweeden, holland and such) must pull their people out of their country or else they will be killed. all this unless an offical oppology is issued. they have said they will bomb embasies in their country. why is all this start? because someone in holland drew a picture of muhammad (spelling?) with a bomb wrapped in his turban.

ive seen the pic and its giggle worthy but this reaction is just insane. when i heard this i just burst up laughing. i cant beleive how serious they are. only thing else im gonna say about this is this is why i think the muslim relegion is so full of whackos... they havn't yet learned how to ignore their relegious leaders and/or parts of their bible. they take everything to the extreme.

radical muslims enrage me every day

anybody watch the abc documentary on the london bombings 7/7 on monday nite?

that was scary s***

idiots like that could be amongst us

they were brittish born for gods sakes

I'd hate for this thread to turn into an uninformed 'lol muslims suck lol' circlejerk. Here is some more info on exactly what the story is:

Article about cartoons

Denmark warned its citizens on Monday to avoid Saudi Arabia, and gunmen in Gaza said any Scandinavians there risked attack, as Muslim fury mounted over newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

Denmark has defended the newspaper Jyllands-Posten's right to publish the satirical drawings that seemed to portray the Prophet as a terrorist and which a Norwegian paper has run too.

Some Muslims, who deem images of prophets disrespectful and caricatures blasphemous, have threatened Danes and demanded an apology.

Saudi Arabia has recalled its envoy from Denmark and its religious leaders called for a boycott of Danish products.

Many Saudis have started boycotting Danish goods and across the Gulf, several supermarkets pulled Scandinavian foods off the shelves after consumers complained.

The 12 cartoons were published in September, but the row erupted only this month. One showed Mohammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb.

Jyllands-Posten said on Monday that it regretted offending Muslims but defended its right to publish the drawings.

"We cannot apologize for having printed the cartoons as part of a debate about the right to free speech," Editor-in-Chief Carsten Juste told Reuters.

Libya has closed its Copenhagen embassy, and thousands of Palestinians marched in protest on Monday.

An Iraqi militant group called on Monday for attacks on Danish and Norwegian targets, saying a boycott was not enough, according to a statement attributed to the Mujahideen Army.

The Internet statement called on fighters to "hit whatever targets possible belonging to these two countries and others that follow their steps". It could not be authenticated.

Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Monday advised colleagues in the European Union of the situation and the bloc's executive said it might complain to the World Trade Organization (WTO) about the boycott if the Saudi government had encouraged it.

EU FOREIGN MINISTERS

"The EU strongly rejects any threats by militant factions against EU citizens," EU foreign ministers said in a statement.

The Danish Foreign Ministry advised against non-essential travel to Saudi Arabia and urged Danes to be cautious in other Muslim countries.

"Danes who choose to stay in Saudi Arabia should show extraordinarily high watchfulness," it added on its Web site.

The Danish Red Cross said it had pulled two employees out of Gaza and one from Yemen, and Norway's Foreign Ministry said two Norwegian aid workers in Gaza were planning to leave on Monday.

Sweden warned its citizens against traveling to Gaza and the West Bank and the Swedish consulate in Jerusalem received a fax claiming to be from Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigades demanding that all Danes and Swedes leave the area.

"All Swedes and Danes that exist on our soil have 48 hours to leave our country or else," according to the fax read to Reuters by a consulate official.

Swedish officials said they were taking the threat seriously even if it might be the result of being confused with Denmark.

Dozens of Palestinians with rifles and grenade launchers rallied outside the EU headquarters in Gaza City, demanding an apology and warning Danes and Norwegians they would be at risk in Gaza.

Some of the gunmen fired in the air, while others burned Danish and Norwegian flags.

Hamas, the militant Islamic group which won Palestinian elections last week, urged Islamic countries to take "deterrent steps against idiotic Danish behavior".

Hardest hit by the boycott was Danish-Swedish dairy product maker Arla Foods, with annual sales of 3 billion Danish crowns ($487 million) in the Middle East. The world's biggest maker of insulin, Novo Nordisk, also said it was affected.

Rasmussen said on Monday that "the Danish government cannot apologize on behalf of a Danish newspaper. It doesn't work like ... and we have explained that to the Arab countries. Independent media are not edited by the government."

Radical Muslim response

Masked Palestinian gunmen have briefly taken over a European Union office to protest a Danish newspaper's publication of cartoons deemed insulting to Islam's Prophet Muhammad.

The 12 drawings - published last September by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and republished in a Norwegian paper this month - included an image of the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse. Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet, even respectful ones, out of concern that such images could lead to idolatry.

The cartoons have sparked protests, flag burnings and boycotts of Danish products throughout the Muslim world. Yesterday, Palestinian protesters burned Danish flags in two West Bank towns.

In today's violence, the gunmen burst into the EU office, then withdrew several minutes later.

A group of about 15 masked men, armed with hand grenades, automatic weapons and anti-tank launchers, remained outside, keeping the offices closed.

No shots were fired, and there were no reports of injuries.

The gunmen left the building after about half an hour.

They demanded an apology from Denmark and Norway, and said citizens of the two countries would be prevented from entering the Gaza Strip.

"We are calling on the citizens of the two countries to take this threat seriously because our cells are ready to implement this all over Gaza," said one of the militants.

The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a violent group linked to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah Party, claimed responsibility for the incident.

Jyllands-Posten has refused to apologise for the drawings citing freedom of speech.

The drawings were reprinted on January 10 by Norwegian evangelical newspaper Magazinet in the name of defending free expression, renewing Muslim anger.

since then, the cartoons (link)
have been published in the major newspapers of most european countries, as a show of solidarity for freedom of speech and press. Good on them, I say. The west (as PC as it is nowadays) should not have to curtail a fundamental freedon because something it allows offends somebody.

This, plus the landslide victory of hamas in the palistinian election makes me very sad about the future of the middle east.


edit: i'm hoping our resident QGL muslims can give some perspective from the other side. I'm having a hard time understanding how something like this could enrage people so much and bring about such a radical response. I'd be really greatful for some islamic insight into this.

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I reckon it'd be unwise for 'Muslims� to piss off Europe with the impending s***fest about to land on Iran and neighbouring countries. They (Muslims) are showing off to the world their short fuse and violent temperament as a result of giving death threats, bomb threats and the like. This is only going to make Israel more trigger happy. The EU wants a peaceful resolution to the whole Iran nuclear fiasco but with solid evidence backing up that they're developing nukes it's only a matter of time before they take the leash off Israel. Israel has a right to be nervous considering an official policy of Iran is to 'dissolve' the state and send the Israelis packing. I know this isn't directly related to the whole freedom of speech issue but it could well impact the current situation. Poor public opinion of Muslim nations in the eyes of Europe does not bode well for the Middle East.

Look, I know not all (in fact, a minority) Muslims are extremists but that�s no good when the ones in power are!

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It's sad that Suhaib isn't here to start arguements :(

does the muslim response suprise anyone?

"kyle have u got sand in your virgina"

quote++!

Arla, a Danish dairy company being boycotted in the Middle East is ironically not so loved by the Danes due to their monopolistic behaviour. I don't see an apology coming any time soon and again I don't think it'd be wise for extremists to 'start s***'� unless you want to see a fair few innocent Muslims kicked out of Denmark. As it is, Denmark is looking to tighten their already strict immigration laws. Denmark�s Peoples� Party (3rd largest party) wants to restrict Muslim immigration and as a result of the current situation they�re going to be gaining a lot more support. To be honest I see nothing wrong with this as Danes are an introverted people who like to stick to themselves - they�re not a massively multicultural nation like Australia. Muslims in Denmark complain that they don�t have any Mosques. Why the hell would Denmark want to build a temple for a religion that sends them bomb/death threats?!

What it comes down to for me is, in modern society there's no such right as the right not to be offended.

Remember that guy Theo Van Gogh who got a cap in his ass in the Netherlands just for being outspoken against Islam (and organised religion in general) - his characterisation of muslims as 'goat f***ers' was somewhat tasteless, but we have fought hard for freedom of speech

zealots need to get over it, if they can't understand the idea of free press then f*** em

i also heard that in protest to this, some muslim guy in canada drew a huge pic of the virgin mary with her tits hanging out, in the middle of the street or something. canadas response? their gonna give him an art grant cuz they like his work.

fyi, religions are for dumb c***s.

The funny thing about this is that the cartoons were part of a submission that the newspaper requested to prove that free speach was dead/dieing in Denmark. They were concerned that fundamenatlist islam was hindering free speach in denmark after someone said that people were too scared to speak their mind for fear of the backlash and that it was hindering proper public discourse.

so they said if anyone wants to do a cartoon we'll publish it.

they got barely more than a dozen entries all up. They published them, and nothing at all happened.

3 months later they published them again, and now gunmen are storming buildings and the world is coming to an end.

While some muslims complain about the cartoons belittling/offending their beliefs, they apparently have no issue with grossly anti-semetic/anti-western cartoons that are published nearly daily in the arabic press.

You can see a collection of the die-jew-die type cartoons here

You can see a collection of a whole heap of Islamic cartoons here done throughout the ages.

Imagine if Monty Python did a Holy Grail style movie for the Muslims. They have no sense of humor at all.

Let us not forget 'Piss christ'

http://www.renewal.org.au/artcrime/pages/serrano.html

oh and a bit more free speech type stuff in wiki form http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

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hahaha

Holy War video game

there was that movie based on Muhammad's life where Muhammad does not appear in the movie at all - sometimes he is just off screen, other times the camera shows his audience etc

movies in which you never find out the protagonist's name s*** me enough, but movies where you don't even see him???

I think the reason Mohammad is forbidden to be depicted is to protect Muslims for the temptation of idoltary. Seeing as these depicitions put Mohammad or Islam in a negative light I can't see why any sane Muslim would idolize them which makes the reaction even more silly.

A lot of European papers have reprinted the cartoons in solidarity - the editor of a French paper was fired by the paper's Egyptian owner.

it makes me wonder - a lot of middle eastern countries are calling for an apology from Denmark and for those responsible to be punished - do they not understand freedom of press or are they in fact calling for it to be changed?

apparantly nearly all muslims around the world have been pushed to the point of death threats and putting bounties on people's heads.

f***ing lol.
wtf are you serious
This first post is insane. wildest generalisations ever.
I can't believe any of the responses so far.

Sorry DM but your original post is crap, you have no details..."must pull their people out of their country", and what country are you talking about? Its not until further posts we get any information at all. And a little punctuation wouldn�t go astray too.

I can't believe any of the responses so far.

Obviously DM over exaggerated a bit, but the situation is real. Boycotting companies over a comic? Threatening to blow s*** up over a comic? It's ridiculous especially as the Muslims are just as guilty (see Jew comics). Every religion obviously has crazies, however while Christian fundies just whine, Muslim extremists have arms/nukes (ala Iran)!

Because the Muslims have made a big deal out of it, they won't/can't back down and I don't see the EU backing down on freedom of press - especially after the show of solidarity. Is this just going to fizzle or will it build up? One would hope fizzle but otherwise it could further escalate other situations�

Think I'm exaggerating? Iran's president has publically stated he wants to get rid of Israel (who are butt-buddies with the US). On top of that, they's highly suspected of developing nukes. If Iran flinches, Israel is going to blow the ever living s*** out of them. This comic situation has the ability to further tensions between Muslim and western European nations. Potentially, EU (thanks to public support) could rally with the US in stopping Iran�s nuclear program - by force! Now, if Iran has operational nukes that could survive an Israeli air strike, we could be in for a s***storm. Potentially :P

I am being completely serious here when I say that I can sort of understand how Hitler got into power. If a candidate got up and said:

'My dear brothers and sisters, f*** this s***. Muslims are taking the piss. I promise you that if I get into power there will be a new law.

All immigrants, illegal or otherwise, will be deported. Their citizenships annulled, their right to be here denied. All immigrants will be given approximately 24 hours to evacuate, to not comply with that strict time schedule will lead to their prompt execution, and their bodies will be sent back to Pakistan.

After the cleansing of our nation, I will then implement our full military might to wipe all muslim nations off of the planet.'

f*** I'd vote for that. At least he'd be a bit more pro-active then this half arsed war we're sorta fighting now. Seriously we're sending troops in, who stand around with dick in hand until they get blown up. We don't know who it is we're f***ing fighting. They won't even declare open war. It's a war on terror, so fight terror with terror. Blow the f***ers up.

ZIEG HEIL!

There's claims that additional cartoons where produced and promoted recently by a Danish Imman to enrage those he spoke with when touring the middle east.

If true that could also explain why nothing happened when the cartoons were originally published last year, this guy hadn't gone on his tour of the middle east at that stage with cartoons he'd drawn himself including the 'Prophet has a pig face' cartoon.

Be carefull fellas, some of these Muslims have short fuses.

I would love to see the western reaction to a Middle Eastern news paper printing a cartoon that mocks Jesus. I somehow think things wouldn't be too different.

http://images.ausimages.com/upload/2006-02-03/TN_jesuslol.jpg

If you're going to post in this thread, please put some effort into it; pointless bashing will just get nuked and bans and all that horrible stuff that I hate will happen.


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while im all for watching the extremists get raped by a camel followed with a traditional hanging,drawn and quater i fell sorry for the moderates whom are drawn into this. there are some muslims who post on here (hi booyah) and from what i know about them (pretty little but anyway) they are non-violent, respecting, functioning members of society. the extremists represent only a small faction of mulsim population yet they recieve all the media attention.

all im saying is before you starting rambling "kill 'em all" think about that all isnt the majority law-abiding muslim population but more the radicals who promote violence and hatred.

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there are some muslims who post on here (hi booyah) and from what i know about them (pretty little but anyway) they are non-violent, respecting, functioning members of society. the extremists represent only a small faction of mulsim population yet they recieve all the media attention.

Right, are we talking about the same one who used to constantly bash western society and praise muslims etc. yet lives in a western culture/society o_O
This is of course, going back awhile to when I believe he was relatively new to the board, perhaps not quite the context I mentioned above, but a similar connotation was there nonetheless. (Not that I hold anything against it).

There is no way all Muslims are this extreme, but I don't think it's as small a minority as alot of muslims seem to wish it were/say it is, I think (relatively) there's more extremist muslims than there are extremist Christians. Or at least, with s*** like this going on, this is how it appears.

The only problem is, the extremist muslims take martyrdom and everything else that goes along with it waaaaaaay too seriously.

The normal ones - no problem with, maybe we need to develop a Traffic Light club night style sticker for all religions and be done with offending everyone, Green = Relaxed Belief/Views, Amber = Mild to Spicy Belief/Views, Red = Extreme/Terrorist.

That way, I know I can say to someone "Man, god is such a c@##$" to someone with a green sticker and not worry about being detonated by a plastic explosive vest or hit by a Kombi Van with "Jesus Loves You" Stickers on it.

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muslim extremists need to watch 'team america : world police' then go fully sik rank jihad on the southpark dudes & possibly nuke cananda or somewhere!

or they could get a sense of humour about thier imaginary friends.

i second demon's response

I am being completely serious here when I say that I can sort of understand how Hitler got into power.

Except there wern't jews flying planes into buildings, doing suicide bombings in Germany every day of the week. Not to mention all the Polish jews that were killed that didn't even have anything to do with Germany.

Hitler got to power because Germany was in a state of economic clusterf*** and said he'd restore prosperity to Germany, not entirely but including by stopping all the jews that were stealing their jobs. Jews were completely innocent scapegoats.

So firstly, you're supporting the rounding up of an entire race into ghettos and subsequent mass murder based on nothing but propaganda and lies.
So while there are some, but very few, extremist muslims that blow s*** up, you are advocating rounding up every single muslim and having them killed.

It's thinking like this that is a hundred times more dangerous than any suicide bomber. You're promoting an actual war on islam, rather than a war on terrorists. That kind of f***ed thinking is what keeps the extremists going. How many people do you think have been killed by suicide bombers, not even muslims, let's just say terrorists fullstop. The number of innocent people killed by terrorists in history pales compares to the number of innocent people killed by Hitler.

So basically, you don't just see how it was possible that Hitler got into power, you actually think what he did was a good idea, and you think it should happen again. Excellent, now we have to deal with terrorists blowing s*** up AND morons promoting mass murder of innocents.

this is like 3or 4 days old...

I would love to see the western reaction to a Middle Eastern news paper printing a cartoon that mocks Jesus. I somehow think things wouldn't be too different.

er. we get it all the time?

jesus gets heaps of s***/comedy/parody all the time.

Also, aslamic culture is f***ed. Has anyone watched Bill Maher - Victory Begins at Home? He's an awesome comedian and one of the things he points out is that everyone seems to be overly tolerant these days. The mainstream view is that muslim culture is different and that you have to be tolerant and accept it. I'm sorry, but democracy is better than theocracy and dictatorship. Freedom of speech is better than being killed for speaking out against anything. Equality for women is better. I have no respect for any muslims who adhere to those retarded medieval rules. Well, I have no respect for anyone who belongs to a religion with retarded rules. Just mine and Bill's 2c.

Front page newspaper political mocking?

There's now a photoshop competition for even more offensive pictures.

Thundercracker,

Anti-jew, anti-western cartoons can be found at least weekly in major arabic newspapers, there's a collection of some of the more viles ones here.

As to how the western world would respond if offended, there is an interesting piece today in WSJ's Best of the Web:

"A Tom Toles editorial cartoon published in The Washington Post on Monday and on its Web site has drawn a very rare and very strong protest letter to the editors from all six members of The Joint Chiefs of Staff," reports the trade magazine Editor & Publisher.

The cartoon depicts a quadruple amputee lying on a hospital bed, at the foot of which hangs a fever chart with the heading U.S. ARMY. A crudely drawn caricature labeled "Dr. Rumsfeld" stands at bedside, saying, "I'm listing your condition as 'battle hardened.' " In the bottom margin, a tiny version of the Rumsfeld caricature says, "I'm prescribing that you be stretched thin. We don't define that as torture."

A PDF copy of the original letter is here; this is the slightly edited version published in today's Post:

We were extremely disappointed to see the Jan. 29 editorial cartoon by Tom Toles.

Using the likeness of a service member who has lost his arms and legs in war as the central theme of a cartoon was beyond tasteless. Editorial cartoons are often designed to exaggerate issues, and The Post is obviously free to address any topic, including the state of readiness of the armed forces. However, The Post and Mr. Toles have done a disservice to readers and to The Post's reputation by using such a callous depiction of those who volunteered to defend this nation and, as a result, suffered traumatic and life-altering wounds.

Those who visit wounded veterans in hospitals have found lives profoundly changed by pain and loss. They also have found brave men and women with a sense of purpose and selfless commitment that causes battle-hardened warriors to pause.

While The Post and some of its readers may not agree with the war or its conduct, these men and women and their families are owed the decency of not having a cartoon make light of their tremendous physical sacrifices.

As the joint chiefs, we rarely put our hand to one letter, but we cannot let this reprehensible cartoon go unanswered.

Angry Leftoids such as John Aravosis and Duncan "Atrios" Black are crying "censorship"--or, in Atrios's case, something vaguely along those lines:

It of course isn't strictly censorship, but any time a member of the government complains in this way, behind a government podium or on official letterhead, it does indeed get closer to official censorship. The point is to have a chilling effect.

The equation of criticism with censorship is a tiresomely common left-wing trope. Of course, if Black's own comments are meant to be hortatory, his "point is to have a chilling effect" too. He would like the Joint Chiefs to keep their views to themselves. Does it matter, as Black suggests it does, that the Joint Chiefs are government officials? Only if you think that they have some way of enforcing their views, or that the Post is going to be intimidated by them, which seems about as likely as the Joint Chiefs being intimidated by a left-wing blogger.

I agree that there has always been and always will be political cartoons designed to portray strong views on many vary subjects. But this is taking it a step further by deliberately picturing something that is a direct insult. People can wail on about freedom of speech, but people also need to have at least an ounce of tact and common decency.

Fatah shows its true (non-secular) colors.

Palestinian security officials said gunmen from a militant faction in President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction seized Christoph Kasten, 21, from a hotel coffee shop in the city of Nablus and took him to an empty field before releasing him.

hillarious

It's almost comedy gold at the protests. Checkout some of the piccies from the protests

"Europe You will Pay, demolition is on its way"
"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Blasphemy: A sign of Western Extremism"
"Death to France"

Have the protests been infiltrated by anti-protestors trying to make them seem violent, extremist and bloodthirsty?

There was an interesting piece on BBC Radio yesterday covering this issue, they interviewed a representative of some Islamic group in the US. His view was (i'm paraphrasing cause i can't find a link) Immans in the western world should be using this incident to explain to their followers that part of living in a democracy is having a free press, and that the downside of that is sometimes things will be said that you don't like, but the benefits far outway the negatives and you should just ignore/put up with it, but it's certainly not a time to scream for violence.

Of course, the other Muslim representative they interviewed from the US, the head of C.A.I.R. pined for revenge and called it an outrage.

last edited by natslovR at 09:19:55 04/Feb/06

i say syndicate em

imagine a worldwide media circus ala american flag waving post-911.

even then these crazies couldnt blame jews or the US

hillarious

I would say scary acctually, the guy was German and why should Danes suffer for something a Danish newspaper did. If what the newpaper did was wrong them they should be punished. But really the muslems are just digging a deeper it hole. It's like some kids at school teasing another kid and the teased kid says "stop it" when he/she should just ignore it, so the teasing kids keep doing it. Muslems mustn't have picked up on this simple concept.

if they burn our flags they can deal with a bit of blasphemy

some pictures

Europe take some lessons from 9/11

behead those that insult islam

europe is the cancer islam is the answer / exterminate those who slander islam

kill the danish beast

slay those who insult islam

yay for the religion of peace

oh and i forget

we wouldn't be having this problem if rushdie's fatwah had been carried out

In Beirut, the leader of Lebanon�s Shi�ite Hizbollah said the row would never had occurred if a 17-year-old death edict against British writer Salman Rushdie been carried out.

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Of course, the other Muslim representative they interviewed from the US, the head of C.A.I.R. pined for revenge and called it an outrage.

I hope by 'revenge' they mean comics that make fun of Jebus, I could do with a good laugh.

Alternatively, they could blow things up, which would just pretty much validate the point of the comics. I wonder what they'll do.

those crazy muslims sure are a tolerant group

they'll probably blow up the superbowl. that would suck very much

i suppose there are even gayer sporting events to blow up

the could hit the lingerie bowl. that would probably be a more religously consistant target to hit

mazel tov!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060204/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings

Muslims are so enraged that the comic calls them out for being violent, so they torch some embassies.

Where did all those Danish flags come from?

Why were those Danish flags to hand? Who built up the stockpile so that they could be quickly dragged out right across the Muslim world and burnt where television cameras would come and look? The more you study this story of "spontaneous" Muslim rage, the odder it seems.

The complained-of cartoons first appeared in October; they have provoked such fury only now. As reported in this newspaper yesterday, it turns out that a group of Danish imams circulated the images to brethren in Muslim countries. When they did so, they included in their package three other, much more offensive cartoons which had not appeared in Jyllands-Posten but were lumped together so that many thought they had.

It rather looks as if the anger with which all Muslims are said to be burning needed some pretty determined stoking.

apparently the three other cartoons were family circle

f*** that cartoon s***s me

Does anyone have a link or are they able to post the cartoons in question? Every site I go to just talks about them but doesn't show them.

Muslims consider any images of Mohammad to be blasphemous.

Jesus f***ing christ, so what? (o wait, that was christian blasphemy! quick, christians... blow s*** up!)

http://www.users.on.net/~calmoss/family circle.jpg

From the sounds of it Islam hasn't avoided idolitory of the prophet they just promoted it.

Khan:

Cryptome has a mirror of the cartoons.

To me Islam is a cult.

As far as I'm concerned a 'religion' that allows the oppression of women, encourages hate and racism, promotes martydom through suicide ... is no religion at all.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm


last edited by sLaps_Forehead at 23:35:53 05/Feb/06

From the link that natslovR posted

http://retecool.com/ffvimg/img/f8f35ba6/101_c0bffd068760329e.jpg

I hope by 'revenge' they mean comics that make fun of Jebus, I could do with a good laugh.

Just for you trog =)

http://www.users.on.net/~thevault/HERMITech/Thread/Makita.jpg

Now the courier mail is in the s*** for re-printing an 'offensive' photo.

I think they did it as a bit of a gee-up. Pretty funny I reckon.

If you ask me, Muslims offended by this should learn "tolerance"
I mean ffs, everyone else has to

Religious tension must be at an all time high right now. I doubt me that muslims and christians have disliked each other so much for a long long time.

Sadly we are going to see a lot more bloodshed in our lifetimes. A lot more.

hopefully its urs and not mine

what's amusing is, a lot of australian muslims firmly believe that they will convert australia to islam and we will become a sharia state

what's sad is, what's joe bogan going to do about it

I'll convert ONLY if I get my virgins BEFORE I blow my self up!!

what's amusing is, a lot of australian muslims firmly believe that they will convert australia to islam and we will become a sharia state

It's because we have so much desert right?

I can't fathom that these 'people' think this behaviour is justified.

we need pauline hanson back, stat

Cartoon of the week, that pretty much sums it all up: http://www.filibustercartoons.com/

we need pauline hanson back, stat

come look for a rental property in annerley and your dream will come true

To me Islam is a cult.

As far as I'm concerned a 'religion' that allows the oppression of women, encourages hate and racism, promotes martydom through suicide ... is no religion at all.

Have you read the Bible recently?

Some muslim countries are considering placing trade bans on countries where these 'offensive' cartoons have been printed in their newspapers, Including Australia.

Now I'm not a big expert on the whole import/export thing, but I reckon countries like Australia and others that printed this cartoon have one hell of a lot more to offer in terms of resources compared to them. I.E.

Australia can export - Just about everything.
muslim Countries can export - suicide bombers and a hell of a lot of sand.

Now this may be a big loss for countries that lack sand, I.E. the South Pole, but last time I checked, we were pretty o.k. for the stuff.

So, that only leaves suicide bombers, and while they probably make for a pretty amusing april fools joke around the office I.E. blow up your boss while he's on the can, I for one don't really want them here.

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Oil!!!

Ummm, who controls Iraq??

Iraq isnt the only muslim country to produce oil, and atm I wouldnt go saying America do.

Who doesn't know that?

America controls the oil at least. As everyone knows, it is the only reason why they went to war with Iraq in the first place.

List of oil producing muslim countries -

Iran
Iraq
Kazakhstan
Kuwait
Libya
Oman
Saudi Arabia
Sudan
Syria
United Arab Emirates
Yemen

As per my previous post, Who doesn't know that?

You said -

muslim Countries can export - suicide bombers and a hell of a lot of sand.

Yet your now saying who doesn't know they export oil?

Dude, the post was supposed to make you laugh, or at least smirk a bit.

It was a bit of light humor is all, you couldn't tell that??

I.E. Importing suicide bombers to blow your boss up on April fools day.

While it would probably sell quite well, I don't think the government would be too keen on giving importers the go ahead, as they would be the #1 targets.
(another joke btw.)

It was a bit of light humor is all, you couldn't tell that??

No he couldn't. It's funny when the true moron is revealed.

While it would probably sell quite well, I don't think the government would be too keen on giving importers the go ahead, as they would be the #1 targets.
(another joke btw.)

I added a little thing to make it easier for tanaka this time around.

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LOL, once again you prove my point fpot, you cant exist without trolling me. It must be truely the highlight of your night when you post after me. You know, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you were gay and stalking me. I'm sorry, but ive seen the "human slug" picture of you and even if I did swing that way, by god you wouldn't stand a chance.

last edited by Tanaka Khan at 01:03:23 07/Feb/06

And once again you reply with a captilised 'LOL' followed by a badly strung together set of sentences attempting to insult me.

And notice these homosexual come-on trolling attempts have come at a time when you have sort of attempted to try and voice your opinions on things other then wow and your cats? It's because your opinions and views are basically retarded and I can't help but comment in a negative fashion towards them. You really are almost as stupid as Kathleen.

almost as stupid, but not quite. no-one is that dumb.

America controls the oil at least. As everyone knows, it is the only reason why they went to war with Iraq in the first place.

Yeah, nothing to do with Iraq violating UN sanctions and the 'butcher of baghdad' showing his 'love' for his people

Yeah, nothing to do with Iraq violating UN sanctions and the 'butcher of baghdad' showing his 'love' for his people.

I'm not saying Saddam would ever win father of the year, but there are countries with far worse leaders, causing far worse atrocities to it's people, but the US do nothing because there is nothing in it for them.

Look at Africa and what's happening there if you don't believe me.

Also, if you read the news, the only thing they are trying saddam on is some killings in the mid 80's. (America were still selling Iraq weapons to assist their war with Iran at the time.)

I reply "LOL" because you make me laugh. You want to talk about badly strung together sentences? Re-read what you wrote there. I think I've made two posts concerning cats in my time here, yet your the one who brings them up.

You don't like me or my posts, well get over it because I'm not going anywhere. You want to have a go at me and my views, PM me, because I'm sure im not the only one who tires from your constant trolling in an attempt for acceptance in society, or at least chose a better thread than this. This thread is about something that can be considered serious yet you have to drag it down, well done.

why should the USA go to war against a country if there is nothing in it for them?

Yeah, nothing to do with Iraq violating UN sanctions and the 'butcher of baghdad' showing his 'love' for his people

Matt you really are a Noob if you think the U.S gives a f*** what other leaders do to the people, read up about what was happening in Africa, mainly Uganda(sp) arround the time of the kosovo s***...

heres a question for you, Who sold sadam chemical wepons to use against Iran?

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Greetings Gronks

A bit about myself...I'm a long time lurker, and even longer time spammer.

Currently in iraq, and well... yeah.. for all of you who told me to "go back to your country".. well here i am (for a holliday) SO STICK THAT UP YOUR POO PIPE SUCKAHZ !!!!!. There's nothing like seeing a car full of petrol go KA BOOYAH TSK TSK PA PA PLOP.

Anywhom, where do i start and what do i say in a thread filled with gronks, nerds, bogans, shemales, and rednecks twats... this one particular comment amused me:

I would love to see the western reaction to a Middle Eastern news paper printing a cartoon that mocks Jesus. I somehow think things wouldn't be too different.

FYI... Muslims believe in jesus as a holy prophet too, so i dont see why we would need to mock him you dumb f***. As for korbs:

edit: i'm hoping our resident QGL muslims can give some perspective from the other side. I'm having a hard time understanding how something like this could enrage people so much and bring about such a radical response. I'd be really greatful for some islamic insight into this.

I dont have too much time to respond at the time being, msn me: shmokk@hotmail.com and we could have a bit of a talk if you're serious.

Will be back soon and take part in the flaming.

Analy yours

The ring master.

I would love to see the western reaction to a Middle Eastern news paper printing a cartoon that mocks Jesus. I somehow think things wouldn't be too different.

Actually I just heard that the leading newspaper in Iran is holding an international competition for people to draw cartoons about the holocaust. They see it as "you can do it so can we" kind of thing. I wonder if this then allows Jews around the world to storm muslim nations embassies and set fire to them?

heres a question for you, Who sold sadam chemical wepons to use against Iran?

Yeah, but the US doesn't like Iran either :P

Yes I realise that the US probably invaded for oil but I'm just saying it wasn't the only reason. Although they didn't find WMDs, what was to stop Iraq acquiring one? The US doesn't want a threat like that. Russia knew/knows it's not a good idea to nuke the US (MAD and all), but would they feel the same way if they believed they'd get 7 virgins upon their death? Religion allows MAD to be ignored which is a very scary prospect. Religion is a dangerous. Theocracy and dictatorships are dangerous. However, I doubt an imam would be keen to take his life in the destruction of 'infidels', despite not hesitating to corrupt some youth into doing so.

The US doesn't have the resources to sort out the world's leadership problems (and would only make them unpopular, inviting terrorism) but 'sorting out' Iraq has its benefits hence why they are taking action. It wouldn't surprise me if Afghanistan and Iraq were purely invaded to act as a base for an Iran invasion. I'm not sure if I agree with all this war but I don't want to see WMDs in the hands of theocracies and loony dictatorships.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."

Matt you really are a Noob if you think the U.S gives a f*** what other leaders do to the people

I think the US does, but realises it's �just not worth it'. It'd be inviting terrorism, public backlash and a massive draining of funds (like Iraq). They need a pretty big incentive to take action, be that financially (oil) or threat of attack. Remember that the US are sympathisers of Israel. When you have a country (Iran) openly come out and say we want to destroy a country you sympathise with, you're just asking for trouble. The Jews in the US have a lot of money, a lot of power and they're going to use it to sway the US into action. It's not just Iranians that hate Jews; it�s a lot of the Arab community spawned on by Muslim leaders. Interesting reading: http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html
I sadly feel the invasion of Afghanistan was largely due to their poppy cultivation (f***ing drug war, I have the right to abuse my body as I see fit� ahem), but I�m shedding no tears over the destruction of Saddam�s regime. I feel Iran are �asking for it� through their lack of cooperation regarding their nuclear program. This is hopefully their arrogance or they�re hiding something. I�m hoping the former but if it�s the latter, they�re going to feel the heat of Israel, the US and the EU.

PS: Nice to see some debate instead of the usual 'omg silly muslims lol' :)

Whether Iran has oil or not - Ahmadinejad is a stupid bastard who has been running his mouth about wiping Israel from the map, and is probably going to get his country's arse kicked

Whilst this kind of smack talk is so common in the Arab world that we tune it out, it is at the very least unpresidential and probably downright belligerent

I'm surprised his palace hasn't been turned into smouldering rubble already

FYI... Muslims believe in jesus as a holy prophet too, so i dont see why we would need to mock him you dumb f***.

Exactly where did I imply that it would be Muslims mocking him, you c***stain (yes I can use naughty words as well).

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hi booya!

what ever Booyah. Someone draws some gay cartoon. then towel heads march down the street with plaques saying they want to kill me (a westerner). good f***ing bunch of people.

i had nothing against them to this. now u c***s can all f*** off and die, youve show your true colours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/06/ncart06.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/05/nflag05.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41295000/jpg/_41295952_protest203x300.jpg

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I would love to see the western reaction to a Middle Eastern news paper printing a cartoon that mocks Jesus. I somehow think things wouldn't be too different.

What about anti-Semitism? Racism is far far worse than blasphemy. Insulting someone�s invisible friend, who they choose (brainwashed since birth) to believe in, is nothing compared to oppressing and wishing to �cleanse� a group of people solely on race.

The Arab media is responsible for far worse cartoons than those printed by Jyllands-Posten. Check out this article for more info. Religion (in most forms) is highly degenerative to our advancing technological society. I respect and indorse spirituality (rising above one's ego, etc) but organised religion needs to keep to itself and stop upsetting our secular western world. This is aimed at Muslims and Christians a like living in western countries.

^^ All too true. I think anything can be a target, include race, religion and political alignment, class. Political alignment seems to be a much safer target to poke fun at, at least in the western world.

As much as I don't agree with such cartoons I also don't agree with the reaction to such cartoons. If people were serious about it instead of burning down buildings they should be actually communicating with the other parties for some kind of resolution.

Is this the first time that Muhammad has been depicted in such a way? If I have been reading correctly this isn't, so what makes this situation more volatile?

I'll tell you why (imo), Imam�s from Denmark exposed the cartoons to the Middle East, with a few extra ones, purely to rile up Muslims all over Europe. One must ask where the Muslims got all these Denmark flags from. I'm guessing the leaders wanted this sort of outrage (and destruction) from their people and had planned for it. The majority of 'extremist' Muslims are pawns subject to the will and whim of their volatile leaders.

Again, any religion that holds power over its followers is bound to be corrupted by greed and lust for power. I believe this situation is the result of s***stirring by Muslim leaders who want to convert/destroy Western Europe.

Also, you'll find depictions of Mohammed throughout history here.

[rant] f*** you Islamists, Western Europe is going to stay secular and doesn't have to abide by your backwards religious dogma [/rant]

The rift between Christian and muslim is widening with each day that passes. The hatred for one another is rapidly getting stronger and this is not going to change but will instead only lead to a lot more bloodshed.

I have two interesting experience to share with all.

A few years ago I found myself living beside some guys from Singapore. They were all muslim, but didn't cause any harm to anybody. I guess that you would call them a part of the muslim majority.

I actually became quite close friends with one of them. Now he wasn't a die hard muslim by any stretch of the imagination. To be a serious muslim, you can't touch a drop of alcohol, but he could drink with the best of them. He was however serious enough to avoid pork at all costs, and he fasted for the month when it was required.

I remember having one very interesting conversation with him, which made me realize that Christians/muslims will never co-exist in harmony.

He told me that he has more sympathy for the suicide bombers then he does for the people that they kill because they are fundamentally from the same faith.

This both shocked and surprised me, but when I thought deeply about it, I realized that if there were a Christian uprising by extremists, then perhaps I too would give them unjustified leaniency purely based on faith.

Even if we are not serious about our religion (many Christians today) we can still rally together with a great passion when faced by opposing religion with views that seem naive or foolish to us.

Seeing people protest with such seriousness over a few cartoons makes me look at these people with pity. This is so far from reality for westerners that we can't possibly relate. Many of these people probably had very little education and are easily enraged by their leaders when they are told to be.

Finally, another muslim friend of mine tells me that it is mostly the minorities that become so overwhelmed with rage about these cartoons. He also said that by the courier mail re-printing the cartoons its a way to justify Denmark's newspapers initial prints. Freedom of the press isn�ft true freedom when it allows the hurting of the entire muslim population, but on the broader spectrum, his colleagues at work showed him a picture of Jesus in a bikini n singing; its western culture.

anyone got a link to this cartoon?

Just becuase one religion has a rule that you cant depict this mohammed guy, why does this mean that anyone who has no belief in religion has to follow this rule?.

It isnt againts the law.

Sure, if whoever does publish the pictures cares about offending muslims, then they will, by choice, not publish the pictures.

But if it aint againt the law, then they have done nothing wrong.

Its kinda funny, that by making such a big fuss about it, more people than ever are going to see these pictures. I for one would never have gone looking for cartoons of mohammed, but today, I have seen at least 20+ cartoons depicting him.

The rest of the muslims like to say this is a small radical group causing all the trouble, but however small it is its giving them all a bad name. And for all the people who say u cant judge everyone by the actions of a few, well, in reality thats whats happens, like it or not.

Also, comparing the anti-jew cartoons that someone posted links to, to theses latest cartoons, I fail to see how they can get offended at this. The anti-jew cartoons are far worse and seem to be going on for a long time. But the muslim people will probably say there is nothing wrong with the cartoons.

I would realy like to see south park do a realy offensive episode about this topic, even though they have already done an episode with mohammed depicted as a super hero.

I have not seen the ep with mohammad as a superhero. I guess if hes a superhero, thats ok, so not protests.

I think that would be awesome to do a southpark episode on this. It has southpark written all over it!!

Also, if you are a muslin and are offended by the cartoons, then boycoot the newspapers or media that are displaying the pictures, boycott denmark.

If you a muslin and are offened by the cartoons, and agree with all the violent reactions or worse are involved, you are a f***en idiot, and the reason the rest of the world doesnt like you and your religion.

Some of you guys dont seem to get it. The cartoon isnt the reason behind people going nuts, it is simply a catalyst for a much greater problem. The pressure seems to slowly keep on building. A few explosions here, a riot or two there vents the pressure a little. It must be a very delicate balancing game the diplomats of the world are playing.

The cartoon is not the reason, sure. Everyone would agree.

The reaction by muslims regarding the cartoon is what has pissed so many people off.

For example - You draw a funny, possibly insulting cartoon of me. Yes, I will be offended. However, I would not go to the extreme of writing a sign telling you that I want kill you, just for drawing the cartoon.

I thought muslims went by the 'eye for an eye' philosophy.

We draw a cartoon of mohammad, they draw a cartoon of Jesus. Fairs fair! Unfortunately, they are a little more serious minded. We draw a cartoon, they kill us!!!

Kinda like, you steal a loaf of bread to feed your family, we kill your whole f***ing family!!!!!

The problem is that muslims cant accept the fact that the rest of the world doesnt have to believe what they do and follow their rules.

I thought muslims went by the 'eye for an eye' philosophy.

I like the Dali Lama's answer to that philosophy:

An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world unable to judge distances :P

why are you such a hippie tollaz0r

seriously though

yes there is a degree of 'islamophobia' in the West, and an environment of tension between cultures that frays nerves, but when it comes to the crunch there is presently rioting, kidnapping, death threats, and arson because of a cartoon

a cartoon

I find it funny and sad that a non trivial number among us 'Westerners' who don't react to the obscenity of 9/11, and other terrorist events, with outrage, actually scold those who do, haranguing them about how Islam is apparently this peaceful misunderstood religion

yes there are peaceful Muslims but those aren't the ones we are concerned about

sometimes you just have to stop being diplomatic and choose a side

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sometimes you just have to stop being diplomatic and choose a side

f*** that... You can choose a side if you want, I'm just gonna stay on the top =)

read this interesting peice of information a little earlier.

On Saturday, Jordan arrested the editor of a tabloid weekly newspaper, Jihad Momani, for reprinting the controversial cartoons first published by Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten last September.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18066782%255E23109,00.html

. . . This all origonally happened last september?? Shows that a media beat-up in a muslim country can cause the same reaction as a media beat-up in our own country.

What happened at Cronulla was because the media had a big hand inciting violence. (Talk back radio, etc.)
The same could possibly be the case with these cartoons. . .

No, what happened in Cronulla was originally due to the 2 surf lifesavers being beaten by the lebs.

It must be a very delicate balancing game the diplomats of the world are playing.

Why must the game be delicate at all? Everyone needs to toughen up a bit and learn to take a bit of satire. Down in Australia just about anything is fair game e.g. some of the Chaser's stuff is just downright aweful but as a society we have learnt to be able to laugh at anything.

Both the Muslin and Christian fundamentalists need to stop being so damn precious and just live together. We are all basically the same people looking for acceptance and companionship.

These cultural divides are stopping perfectly normal people from being friends - for the sake of religion, what insanity.

lol @ the protesters. got jobs c***s?

Iran = future joint US/Israeli military training facility early 2007.

Just send in the Viking Beserkers. Thor loves a good biffo

"No, what happened in Cronulla was originally due to the 2 surf lifesavers being beaten by the lebs."

Weren't they off duty, wearing casual clothes and just walking down the street? In which case they were just two guys...

Then again, when you say two lifesavers, it's much easier to picture two Aussie icons on patrol being ripped out of their tower/4WD and beaten up while the swimmers are left umprotected from the dangers of the sea!

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since when have muslims been peaceful.

No, they were on duty, and attempting to stop a group of lebanese who were hassling a couple of girls on the beach.

A TEENAGER accused of assaulting a surf lifesaver at Cronulla beach has pleaded not guilty to two charges in a Sydney court.
Ali Osman, 18, of Bankstown, faced Sutherland Local Court today charged with assaulting Patrick Hunt while in the company of a gang of males, occasioning actual bodily harm, at North Cronulla beach on December 4 last year.

link


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I think if muslims feel so hard done by ... and are at the point that they want to kill us....

WHY DON'T THEY JUST GO BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST?

Also what is more offensive? A political cartoon or some f***wit screaming 'Allah Ackbar' whilst he hacks some poor blokes head off with a blunt knife?

I'm no theological expert but as far as I'm concerned, in ANY religion, God/s is not happy/pleased when one of us kills another or themselves.

Fear is a terrible weapon...

must be ratings time for commercial news services atm... nuthin' gets ratings points like some social unrest! throw in some topical racial tension & backward religious factions & if they're lucky it might start a war! you can get a lot of good footage at a war i hear.

i cant help but think i would be insanely angry and prone to rioting if i wasnt allowed to drink beer

No, they were on duty, and attempting to stop a group of lebanese who were hassling a couple of girls on the beach.

so get your facts right before posting joanana

LONDON As Islamic protests grew against the publication in Europe of cartoons lampooning the Prophet Muhammad, a small Arab movement active in Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark responded with a drawing on its Web site of Hitler in bed with Anne Frank. "Write this one in your diary, Anne," Hitler was shown as saying.

The intent of the cartoon, the Arab European League said, was "to use our right to artistic expression" just as the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten did when it published a group of cartoons showing Muhammad last September.

. . . What a bunch of wankers!!
1) This is the best they could come up with?? I mean come on! Hitler in bed with Anne Frank?? Pffft.
2) Here you go again, we can't draw a cartoon, but you can. Very fair my muslim chums.
3) Muslims watch out!!! There will be protests all over the world over this scandalous picture!!! not.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/07/news/europe.php

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http://www.nbr.co.nz/images/Mohammed_cartoon.jpg

I can't believe that this photo has caused riots all over the world.

We should riot, in protest to them rioting about something so anal.

Arabs on the most part are just violent people and they'll use any excuse they can get their hands on to justify it.

yay! off to denmark on tues : ). also, some french mag just printed the cartoon again. the dirty towel heads tried to stop it in court but failed, hahaha!

i say ever country print the fker

What would Buddha do?

I'm intolerant of intolerant people.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Hey guys where's the love ?

Turns out an Egyptian newspaper published the cartoons back in October 2005, without having its embassy burnt down, or even protests. There's scans of the paper at The EgyptiansAndMonkey Blog.

Arabs on the most part are just violent people and they'll use any excuse they can get their hands on to justify it.

It is become easier to believe :(

Turns out an Egyptian newspaper published the cartoons back in October 2005, without having its embassy burnt down, or even protests. There's scans of the paper at The EgyptiansAndMonkey Blog.

OMG, to the Egyptian Ebassy!

On the subject of the cronulla riots, I'd defintely agree the media played a HUGE part in that. Especially mid week running stories about "text messages are going around telling everyone to riot at location XXX on Sunday the XXX".

Thats gotta result in atleast 10 times the number of people showing up than would be relying soully on sms circulation.

This is probably related more to Denmark being rotated onto the security council than the offence caused by the cartoons. Iran is just showing Denmark what influence they have.

^ prolly not too far from the mark either hast

HACKERS have attacked hundreds of Danish websites in recent days to protest against the publication in Denmark of cartoons of Prophet Mohammed, internet security officials said today.

The hackers had defaced home pages and websites by replacing them with messages hailing Islam and condemning the cartoons, security and virus analyst Peter Kruse of Danish internet security firm CSIS said.

"About 500 Danish websites have been targeted that we know of because of the Mohammed cartoons ... (and) the number continues to rise dramatically," Mr Kruse said.

Rest of the story

Sunni muslims killing Shiite muslims in a suicide bomb attack in Pakistan. . . This makes more sense; Kill each other, and don't bother us!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/3646814.html

They should hack some muslim sites and put pictures of Mohammed up, thatll learn em.

whos up for burning a pile of korans and some arab flags this weekend at queen st mall?

The Patron of Atheists has a special place for Christians and Muslims

I wonder if one of us were to publish a website containing all the most disgusting and blasphemous anti-islamic art we could think of,

how long it would take for the assassins to rock up to ya house

From the above posts about website defacement it would appear there are some competent muslim hackers out there

how long it would take for the assassins to rock up to ya house

Ask Theo van Gogh... except his anti-Islamic art (film) was neither disgusting nor (too) blasphemous :P