I think it is common knowledge that the majority of us will have to work a 40+ hour week for our entire lives to survive.

I for one have come to terms with this fact and don't have an issue with working. Sure it sucks sometimes but it is for a reason and it allows me to live.

I see so many people each day who get so depressed over the fact that they will have to work for the rest of their lives that they end up resenting the life that they have outside of work because it no longer means anything... or some emo crap like that.

Have you accepted work or are you still fighting it?

Yeah without work life itself would be pretty boring when you think about it, no money to go anywhere or do anything. I sure as hell ain't gonna work a 40 hour week for the rest of my life though, and there's nothing worse than being stuck in a job you hate. Take my advice; If you find yoursef in a job you hate, find another one ASAP, life is too short.

I never thought i could do fulltime work, until now. I normally do a 9-5:30, but thrown in there is 7-3:30, 3-11:30, and some weekends. I enjoy it and it isnt a chore, i work with good people and for the first time i actually dont dread waking up in the morning. Plus having a salary is uber :p

I am at one with my thook

I think Kat you need to define 'working' a little better.

Working long hours for meagre wages making lazy c***s rich the rest of your life? f*** that.

Working for yourself. Sounds good.

As usual you trivialise threads that could be taken seriously.

If I was you I would just concentrate on not killing myself in the next 25 years as I wallowed in depression because of my inability to relate basic concepts to other people.

I don't need to define work at all. Everyone has different working standards and everyone has their own definition of work.

The only person trivilising anything is you, but then again if you didn't you wouldn't have anything to post.

The way people reply will allow them to expand on what they experience as 'work' and what definition they put to work. Maybe you should let people speak for themselves

I see so many people each day who get so depressed over the fact that they will have to work for the rest of their lives that they end up resenting the life that they have outside of work because it no longer means anything... or some emo crap like that.

Have you accepted work or are you still fighting it?

You're setting up the false dichotomy that you're either 'tough' and can deal with working 40 hours a week, or you're 'emo' if you don't like the idea and the thought of it depresses you.

Is everything so black and white to you ?

Just because you have accepted a vapid life of mediocrity, doesn't mean everybody should follow.

last edited by korbs at 09:28:33 26/Oct/05

I've been in my current job for two and a half years now, website development, working 8:30 to 5:00 weekdays, and never working on weekends. I am reasonably content with my job, Prior to that I spent three years at a coles supermarket, so with that change in working environment, I can see myself here a bit longer.

I am only trying to help you in your futile quest to actually create a thread that people will reply to seriously.

You are aware that expectations can and do get mixed up with peoples abilities right?

You're setting up the false dichotomy that you're either 'tough' and can deal with working 40 hours a week, or you're 'emo' if you don't like the idea and the thought of it depresses you.

Actually I was commenting on what I think. What I consider to be doesn't set the standard for QGl posters... and I am kinda a bit scared that you think it does.

Is everything so black and white to you ?

Yes. However I am only one person on this forum and I am sure other people have the ability to comment on their own experiences and thoughts without using my opinion as some sort of "truth".

Just because you have accepted a vapid life of mediocrity, doesn't mean everybody should follow.

And where did I say anyone did?? I swear I opened this up for discussion and it wasn't simply me going "THIS IS HOW IT IS AS I AM GOD"

i have worked as an employee in the private sector (long hours, s*** pay, good freedom)

i have worked for the government (long hours, OK pay, good leave, but so much BS to put up with).

i have worked in family business (so for myself essentially) (OK pay, 24 hours, very flexible).

i think the best of the lot is to own your own business. you get a 40% discount from the ATO on everything you buy! (GST+company tax)

edit: i have also done the student thing.... s*** uni is gay.

last edited by infi at 09:36:46 26/Oct/05

hey rolo_tomasi I dunno if you noticed but people seem to be replying to the original post just fine

The way you presented the discussion was stupid and narrow-minded and i was calling you out on that.

Everyone else seems to have looked past this though and is contributing to the discussion, so i won't try to derail this thread anymore.

I personally can't stand the 9-5 office IT lifestyle, which is why i'm leaving for the UK next year to do a 3 year sailing cadetship with a view to eventually becoming a superyacht skipper. In that job, you'd be 'working' 24 hours a day/7 days a week while at sea, but since i love sailing so much, it would hardly seem like work at all.

last edited by korbs at 09:51:20 26/Oct/05

i enjoy my work, though i could do with a standard 9-5 mon-fri setup. i dont mind the weekend and the early starts/late finishes, but obviously ideal is not always accessible.

im still doing uni (deferred this sem due to clash with exam, going back next sem) and i can see myself juggling this better than when i had a casual job and did part time uni... mainly because the casual job didnt appeal to me and i did get apathetic with regards to work.

i am results and goal based. i need either a record of how im going so i can better myself and track myself (such as in a tech support role) or i need a goal or end product to work towards, so i can see what i am doing has a specific outcome. doing data entry sucked ass coz i couldnt see how i was making an impact on the workload, no matter how much or little i did.

there are so many varying gradients of how people react to their jobs. At EB i loved the retail and selling part of it, at the netcafes i enjoyed the relaxed atmosphere and freedom, here i enjoy the fact my knowledge base is increasing rapidly and that i am furthering myself in the IT field with each day here. I like the look of corporate liaison positions where you get paid to spend money on propsective clients, but i also like the look of IT consultancy, so i have so many paths i can take.

now that i know that work isnt all a chore, im happy, and im getting paid for it :)

I see your brilliant powers of observation Jim have overlooked the fact that we have had the 'What do you do for a living' thread already which is what most replies apart from korbs has been so far with zero mention of accepting the fact of 'working' for the rest of their lives.

Good job of missing the point though. Go and eat some more grass with the other sheep.

rolo_tomasi: If you feel that people haven't replied the question to a level that you are satisfied with I suggest you bring it up with them. All I did was ask the question, I am not in charge of the replies.

Why do you have the need to tell people what they should think, say, and feel? Why not let people be in control of their own behaviour?


last edited by Kat at 10:02:24 26/Oct/05

rolo_tomasi you = tard

Work is work, and its different for different people.
If you can't understand that then honestly go kill yourself please.

Also working for yourself is not for everyone, and alot of small businesses fail. Its not a magic panacea. Besides which society needs soldiers, teachers, police, nurses, council workers, garbos all of whom can't be self employed.

Nice try Kat. I am not going to waste my time any more on you today. I am happy to sit back and watch this thread turn into an e-circle jerk.

Carry on.

It's not right. Shame on you for your complacency Kat.

Besides which society needs soldiers, teachers, police, nurses, council workers, garbos all of whom can't be self employed.

I could envision a system where all those services are private. Except maybe the soldiers. The government needs it's own men to be more powerfull than any private military they would contract. I can't imagine freelance warriors in Australia that's for sure :D

I'm a musician... the ultimate bum of society.

Rarely have much money, but I enjoy my free time :)

Go and eat some more grass with the other sheep.

Oh my god, its full of irony!

On topic though, the thought of working full time for the forseeable future doesn't scare me so much as it would have a couple of years ago. Now that I'm setting myself up for a career that I genuinely love, I'm really looking forward the rest of my working life, I've got a lot I want to achieve! I mean, as well as making games, I'd like to write some novels at some stage, and if the chance ever arose, write a screenplay for a movie. I love programming, but a close second to that is writing, so I'd love to get a novel published at some point. Plenty of time for that yet though :)

i dont mind working

considering im a concreter, and its hard f***ing work, i think its ok


i have definitely come to terms with working for a living, and don't mind it either.


id rather work my ass off knowing im gonna do well in my life and have money, then sit back now bludging and not coming to terms with what its like to work hard, and hence be worse off in the long run

you people that web design / office jobs s*** me some times.

ironically, im home today off work, due to a jobsite being rained out :<

i tried starting my own business. I was reasonalby successful, but it got bigger than I envisaged and I hadn't intended to take on staff, but couldn't run the business alone. Had I taken on a few staff, the work wuld have kept coming and I found that I was working harder when I was working for myself than I was before or am now.

whe it's your ow business, its hard to just switch off on the weekend, at nigt or on your holidays. I made the decision to go back to being a private sector drone and through sheer luck I enjoy my current job purely because I like the people I work with.

I've accepted that I'll be working full-time for majority of my life, but I haven't given up on the possibility that I won't need to!

you people that web design / office jobs s*** me some times.

Yeah, because they have worked their ass off, got good marks at school, went to uni and now have a good position

Just because youre an unskilled labourer you get the s*** jobs. Because you failed at the above.

Just because you're an unskilled labourer you get the s*** jobs. Because you failed at the above.

maybe he's pissed off because many office workers have a superiority complex like this.




last edited by korbs at 11:13:25 26/Oct/05

That's all you have? I missed a full stop after 'position' if you want to point out that.

last edited by Astroboy at 11:17:06 26/Oct/05

Actually korbs you were jumping on kat bash thread (or maybe you were on the I love rolo_tomasi and want to have his poo babies train ... I dunno). It was presented in a fair way. It used words to identify bits that were a generalisation eg. "Many", "majority". And used phrases to identify personal opinon eg. "I for one", "I see". As far as kat threads go this was actually 1 of her non self centered non retarded ones, and if you 2 can't get that and you think that I am full of s***, everyone else seemed to be able to understand the topic at hand.

The thread is fairly topical, happiness in the work place is an issue. It was mentioned on Sunrise yesterday with a recent study that claims the number 1 reason for unhappiness in the work place is poor management. With pay and conditions being well down the list. Aparently the number 1 reason for happiness in the work place was co-workers.

I too have seen people very depressed with their jobs.
I too work a 40+ hour week and its not all enjoyable and candy and crap...
And I too think people that get depressed about their jobs and fail to do anything about it are self harming emo nutballs.

I also think some people have unrealistic ideas about work, in that alot of people think you are should be getting paid lots for something that is safe, easy and enjoyable. Sometimes thats true, most of the time atleast 1 of the categories has to be traded off.
People work for lots reasons, to make a difference, to be challenged, to support their lifestyle, to support their family, to fill 8 hours of day, becuase they enjoy it. Personally I am happy with the things I have conceeded to get out of my job what I do. And I guess thats the real question are you happy with the trade offs you made.

Everyones work has good days and bad days.

yeah work is all about fun and money. you need both really. emo don't belong with work

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2474/angst0az.jpg

you people that web design / office jobs s*** me some times.

And everyone has a happy view on tradies, builders and contractors too!

As far as kat threads go this was actually 1 of her non self centered non retarded ones

Although the way she posed the issue was stupid, i would have to agree with you here.

and if you 2 can't get that and you think that I am full of s***, everyone else seemed to be able to understand the topic at hand.

I understood the topic fine, but i chose to comment on her framing of it instead of answering the question.

and yes, incidentally, i do think you're full of s***.

I don't mind working hard if the pay is good and the boss isn't an arsehole. Such is the case now - awesome boss, a job that has it's ups and downs and a nice big pay packet at the end of the month.

If and when I wrap up here, I'm tempted to come home and go be a tradesman...bit of my old man's blood in me I guess. Plus if I work hard and get up to be a subbie, then I can earn some reasonable cash. Not anything like what I earn right now, but the tradeoff is the nature of the job vs personal life.

i love work
i love working weekends if i want OT

I don't mind working hard but as yet im to find an industry that I actually enjoy working in.
Sales makes me hate people especially tradies and the way they jerk you around and try to barter for every scrap of material and every cent and try get out of paying their credit while buying yachts and driving around in newly purchased $50k+ cars they just bought.
Them alone doing this made my work twice as lengthy and tiresome :/
I also would like a bit of flexibillity in my hours but so far havn't found a job that allows this either.
So the quest for me still continues to roll on to find my perfect (or at least acceptable) job/career.

NEVAH!

I work now & have for the past 25ish years but I have some ideas to free myself from the labour force & live like a fatcat in the future!




even if it is just a nice phat superannuation ;P~ (worst case scenario)

Infi: Best gothling brat picture eva! I will be using that repeatedly in future, danke.

Kat: I was under the impression you were a "full time mother" no? If not how in hell do you find time to work amongst all the posting?

Interesting points I guess..

Few things to consider, the latest generation is much more about having time for themselves as opposed to lets say, your parents generation.

Also, the older you get, the more you just can't be f***ed fighting the system, apparently, I haven't experienced it yet myself :)

I've been working full-time for about 6 years now. I've had a study break for 6 months of that, which was the best time of my life. But that was for a number of reasons. I looked forward to returning to full-time work because you can only beat off, bang chicks, play computers games, and drink piss for so long before it gets boring or dangerous for your health.

So personally, I like full-time work because it keeps me out of trouble and gives me money to buy things.

I tried about 5 career paths before in my mid-20s I pulled my head in and went beack to uni to study to get the job I wanted, software development. The difference between working in a field you like and one you don't is huge.

If you hate your work find something to do that you like! If there is no job you could do that you would want to then please don't breed :(

I came to terms with it pretty much after the first paycheque :)

Kat: I was under the impression you were a "full time mother" no? If not how in hell do you find time to work amongst all the posting?

Shhhhhh...secret

she's a key decision maker in the accounts department! If it weren't for her, partners wouldn't get paid!

Working long hours for meagre wages making lazy c***s rich the rest of your life? f*** that.

Working for yourself. Sounds good.

You are still making lazy right c***s wealthy from your success.

spidz if you are going to hold onto information from old posts at least get it right..... I have nothing to do with paying staff..

hey rolotomasi you suck dicks and eat dicks and suck them and you eat asses and bums. also you can't read or count because every post prior to yours with the exception of yours and maybe korb's directly or indirectly answered the original post. it looks like you just wanted to have a go at kat but you fully sucked at it and then when it got pointed out you had a big cry. you suck and you eat asses

and bums

Classic Jim™

as if i had a big cry.

but you at least chuckled at my juvenile reply though, surely

go on, you did didn't you
come ooooorn

I didnt fully suck at it. I thought it was a decent attempt. Any other day I would have been showered with roses and champagne. I say its the BBQs and RL PR she has been engaging in.

korbs knows the score right korbster huh? Someday yous will be most skilled and articulate posters like korbs and me.

I spent all day doing unskilled labour and I feel great

I also have a tan, endorphins kicking in after the all day physical workout, the satisfying afterglow of a nice sausage roll and Im 3 from 3 in the forklift races

Conversely, the people working in the office of our building went home mentally exhausted, irritable and with the same paycheque as I got.


That doesnt make physical work any better than office work, but its all about doing a job you enjoy for a wage that pays for your toys.

Im gonna take a crack at the office cubicle thing after uni, but if I dont like it Im so getting a forklift license or something and making money in the way my teachers would tell the "dumb" kids to...

Thats right, take rolo down a peg or to. Its about time he is exposed for the flamer he is.

Also, Sometimes i resent having to work s*** hours at random hours for crap money, but thats the price i pay for being a student. I guess working full time will be an expereince. I think i will like it. It will keep me occupied.

last edited by Tiny at 17:26:26 26/Oct/05

hey maxe you suck dicks and eat dicks and suck them and you eat asses and bums

sure thing post-a-lot.

hey maxe you suck dicks and eat dicks and suck them and you eat asses and bums

hey sup Jim how are you man?

Look I wasnt keeping track of all the rolo-tomasi s*** above, hes not really on the radar, so im not really sure what the significance of the grade 3 behind the janitor shed insult style is.

Having said that, offroading is for nancy f*****s.

Take it easy anyway bro, see you around

(on the internet, lol)

apparently Im on the Obes and Jim radar maxe, they must be looking out for some talent. Its flattering really.

I'm so ronery
so ronery
but nobody ristens, no one understands
seems that no one takes me serirousry

I am one of those that have not come to terms with working (a standard week or such) for a peice of bread for the rest of my life. It depresses me but what can i do about it? :/

Always looking for that pot'o gold :)

safe, easy, enjoyable

my preference is safe, hard and enjoyable. i hate easy work! where is the challange?

The government pays Kat to live at home with her kids. Definition of house wife.

wtf? come to terms with work? when I was on the dole I was bored out of my f***ing mind, I was glad to get a job. 7:30-5 5 days a week.

The government pays Kat to live at home with her kids. Definition of house wife.

im rooting for Kat on this one, cos A_W is that much of a tool

I like my job because I earn money to buy things. Its not rocket science but I get paid to stand around and do work every few hours. Also most of the people there are goodblokes. (forklift type job)
Once out of uni I will get an office job I reckon, but thats a bit off yet.

Meh, I do what needs doing. If all you base yourself on is money your as useless member of the human race as Telstra Management is (something we probably can all relate to :P)

Human race has a long way to go and alot of inefficiences to overcome before we're going to be anything that can taken seriously.

It's either we all work for works sake, without need for actual compensation, without fear, beliefs, ideals or morals, or we all turn into zombies. Right now, I think we're closer to the latter then the former.

meh works fine. if work makes you pissed off or depressed you need to find a new job. or drugs are always fun.

concur that A_W is a tool

It's either we all work for works sake, without need for actual compensation, without fear, beliefs, ideals or morals, or we all turn into zombies. Right now, I think we're closer to the latter then the former.

wait wait wait

remove fear, beliefs, ideals, moral and presumably drive and desire to acheive OR become a zombie?

you got it backwards dude

heh rolo you think I even have a radar ? I just saw yet another band wagoner.

Good blokes, mad cabbies, crazy fast computers, burnouts in falcon taxis.
If it weren't for these and many other small factors, i'd hate work. But they keep it interesting.

Have I accepted the work bizzo yet? Only just.

In reply to maxe (#65):

wait wait wait

remove fear, beliefs, ideals, moral and presumably drive and desire to acheive OR become a zombie?

you got it backwards dude

Desire drives coruption, achievement itself can be it's own drive. You don't need fear, beliefs, ideals or morals to achieve something. All are just hindrances.

Desire drives coruption, achievement itself can be it's own drive. You don't need fear, beliefs, ideals or morals to achieve something. All are just hindrances.

Desire drives passion. passion in its self can be its own drive.
fear drives desperation. desperation in its self can be its own drive..
etc etc etc.

your post makes no sense, and has no point. you may not need these things, just like you don't need 2 arms.

also. fear, beliefs, ideals and morals are hardly hinderences.

your cleening the windows on a skyscraper.
fear keeps you from forgetting to attach the safty harness. beliefs increase moral of the work force (happy worker = productive worker) ideals keep your employer in check, morals keep you honest.

we aren't robots, we are driven to do work to sustain our own personal desires.


See! i can bull s*** and make it sound like i know what im talking about as well!

I think they key is being able to work indefinitely is to enjoy your work. If you look forward to getting up and going to work to do something you love then there's no need to accept the fact you have to do it.

I was is a great Sysadmin job for 3 yrs then decided I wanted to travel the world. I planned to travel for a yr then go back home to Brisbane but after 6 months the urge got stronger to get back to work and playing with servers, etc. Now I've got a contract in London doing the same work and I'm loving it. I look forward to going to work and could do this for the rest of my life (I've got goals to move up but staying in the same field is something I will always do). I don't have to accept the fact I have to work because I will always enjoy it.

It all depends on your own personal goals and amibtions, wether or not you have the willpower and drive to succeed.

I'm only 19 and i'm a full-time helpdesk engineer / support analyst for a large IT support company in central london, learning every day, gaining great experience, studying for serveral industry certs (MCP, CCNA, etc). I'm already on 40K AUD a year(not that much in pounds really), and i'm only in a junior position which is going to go quite far if im willing to put in the effort.

I did this all myself, i came to london with one friend, little money and no contacts at all, i spent quite a few months living on couches, with no food or money, working s*** contract labour just so i could feed myself.

I always considered quiting and going home, especially when i was in the worst of it, but i didnt, i kept at it and ive succeeded. I fully plan to be able to retire when im around 50 max and i've made a good start at achieving this goal.

You shouldn't just resign yourself to a mundane job working hard for the rest of your life, anyone can get up there, you just need to do the hard work and have the ambition necessary.

last edited by Viper119 at 07:02:04 27/Oct/05

*amaya nods at whoop* I hate being unemployed I go nuts and have to set myself projects to keep myself busy.

Have you accepted work or are you still fighting it?

no..i been doing the 9 to 5 sometimes 6:30 thing for long enough..i plan to find me some drugs sell em get ritch and live happily ever after

last edited by Irhabi at 13:34:06 27/Oct/05

Yeah I'd go crazy with out a job.

Even after 3 or 4 weeks holidays I get sick of not working.

crazy drunk obes

whilst i don't hate work, i most certainly wouldn't be bored if i didn't work. Thats assuming I still had a reasonable income.

I started off without a drive to work. Now I have that drive... but I hate my work.

The place in which you work matters greatly to how you see work as a whole.

I'm leaving this job soon, next time my workplace agreement comes up, I'm making sure that I don't have to give 1 month notice, 2 weeks seems fair to me.

I'm off to Work as something simple and casual hours, so that I have an income, have something to do and am able to do work experience in various professions.

I am all gun-ho for my programming, but I really don't wish to work for somebody else doing that, and the more I look at the world I realise there is so much to do and see. I'm just about to start a martial art and I am considering getting very serious about it and traveling to it's home land to master it.

I'm not driven at what I do, and that makes me as Kat ignorantly put it "emo". Really, I'm just irrated coming to work with morons. But I want to work, I want to do great things, just not like this.

Can't say I'm happy with work or totally in hate with it. Time and experience will be the biggest factor in that.

Quick rant: Get over the Emo comments, and the Kat bashing. Both lame things. I'm not emo, but f*** you guys look like a bunch of school aged bullies "HAHA we are cool, stupid emo's". "Hey look it's that Kat chick blah blah she sux etc..". Seriously, time to move on. After you type your post read it again... then think "Is this really what I want? Is this who I really am? or Is this actually amusing?".

Some of the Emo/Kat jokes are funny, but too much isn't cool.

Have a good one
BJ

stupid emos

Hey Obes, how much was the guy who got hired for that support role better then me? Kinda felt annoyed at the religious questions, didn't see how the heck that related to IT work (but I think you got that :P).

Anyway! Tired...

i can really understand the whole work vs life thing, mainly due to my chosen line of work being a definite lifestyle choice. Between long hours, touring, and irregularity it can get really hard sometimes but i always bounce back after a s*** week cause i do love the industry i'm in.

Have you come to terms with work?

I think work have come to terms with me just fine