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There's been tons of rumours going around about the Batman Begins sequel, but I found this one fairly interesting, according to the article Michael Keaton is rumoured to be playing the joker in the sequel.

I reckon this could either be very cool, or very dodgy. He's got a fairly good track record of playing crazy f***ers, Beetlejuice and that other movie that I can't remember the name of where he and a heap of other mental patients escape from their hospital and have a good time on the town (reminds me a bit of Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest Actually, coincidence?)

Who do you reckon would make a good joker? I remember another rumour where someone mentioned Mark Hammill

Michael Keaton would definitely make a good Joker. IMO he's the best Batman, he's got that edgy "I'm a good guy but not really emotionally stable" look. And he play bad guy very well too. Question is would Chritian Bale be Batman again? Man if he is, it could be one of the most awesome Batman series.

He plays a good psycho in Pacific Heights if you're after something cool to watch tonight or this weekend. Maybe not even this weekend. You might be looking for something cool to watch in a weeks time, I dunno.

i'm thinking next month. michael keaton is a great actor and would make a great Joker.

Now that'd be very cool if Michael Keaton played the Joker, imo a far better choice than Mark Hammill for a role like that. I'm just praying they don't end up using Frankie Miunez for the role of Robin.... in fact, i wish they wouldn't bring robin into it at all.

His facial expressions are classic.

I reckon this guy from Signs and Gladiator would be a good Joker, Joaquin Phoenix

http://www.peta.org/living/at-summer2002/bigimages/Joaquin-Phoenix.jpg

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Crispin Glover was the initial guy rumoured to be playing the Joker, I hope hes still in the running, he'd be great. He plays unhinged and crazy so well. Mark Hamil and Michael Keaton are both too old I reckon. I think the Mark Hamil rumour just started because he played the Joker in the animated series.

Frankie Muniz as Robin though, that'd just be gay :( I reckon they should keep Robin out of it, unless they do the Dick Grayson Robin and take it through to him becoming Nightwing, because Nightwing rocks.

Ok help me here....will he be playing the Joker before the Joker was created,because the way i remember it,the Joker was "made" and "killed" in the first Batman.Or are they ignoring all the previous Batman movies that have been made (which is a good idea when you think about arnie as Mr Freeze)

Joaquin Phoenix or Mark Hammil would both make awesome jokers based on their appearance. But I'm a huge Wing Commander fan, hence, huge Mark Hammil supporter, and would much prefer he got the role. He did the voice in Batman TAS too.

have you even seen batman begins tanaka? if even taken note of the name?

I have yes Wet....but my point stands,how can they bring the Joker in if he was MADE in the movie Batman unless he is just going to be the gangster type person he was before he became Joker.

^^ they are pretending that the first series of batman movies never existed

i heard the the sequel is gonna be called Batman Attacks

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I certainly hope your wrong ravn0s, that's the gayest sounding title

Really ravn0s? I heard it would be called Revenge of the Batman.

I heard it would be called Gotham Strikes Back

I heard that this thread now sucks.

ravn0s,thanks...now it makes sense to me

It is Untilted :P

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/

I hope they introduce robin just so the joker can smack him over the head with a crowbar.

Has there been any rumours about who is playing Harvey Dent?

Haven't really heard anything on Harvey Dent except the fact that they might make him black again.

Well, the criminal half at least.

i heard the the sequel is gonna be called Batman Attacks

Still one step better than "Attack of the clones".

Well, the criminal half at least.

bahahahha, you're going to hell. so am i for laughing though.

Question is would Chritian Bale be Batman again?

how couldn't it be bale, he's the best batman evar.

and maybe whoever was asking about the joker being made and killed in the first movie, consider batman begins as a prequal... to the others

in any case, bale > *

, consider batman begins as a prequal... to the others

No, just consider it as another telling of the batman story, because it being a prequel doesnt account for various inconcistencies, so just forget about them.

i've heard they are telling the story as it was originally done in comics.. the original movies were massaged to make it easier

Well theres "originally done" and then theres canon, and retconning and elseworlds and blah blah blah.

There are plenty of "one shot" batmans that have nothing to do with continuity, so really whether or not the movies fit "exactly" into the comics doesnt matter a whole lot.
Unless you are this guy of course..
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no you are

f*** I hope this is true.

Halfway through Batman Begins, I pulled it out and just started whackin' it right in the theatre - it was THAT GOOD.

Okay I'm lying, but damn if it wasn't the best movie ever.

Haha love your work Pharcyde. I agree

I think it'd be cool if they just circumvented the whole continuity thing altogether. I reckon the whole linear sequel/prequel thing could be abandoned in favour of just making one shot movies that were actually half decent eg Batman Begins.

I reckon Arkham Asylum, The Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns, The Cult and numerous other standalone graphic novels/series would be great vehicles for exploring the darker world of Batman in film.

Trouble is these movies need to make money so they usually have to relate (with regards to temporality) to other films from the same mythology, because these are the accepted conventions that the film industry has established. This is particulary true of 'comic' spinoffs, due to their limited appeal witin a mainstream audience. Whereas if they are serialised it gives Mr and Mrs Average Punter a framework to understand the characters, as most non-comic readers wouldn't otherwise know the back stories etc.

This means that we don't get a lot of depth or variety. Batman Begins was the exception to the rule.

Kinda frustrating when just about every movie adaption of a comic book has an 'origin' story feel to it, dumbed down enough to maintain the interest of the general public.

Don't get me wrong though, I thought Batman Begins was great.

DKR would make a cool movie, but it'd kinda end the chance of making another movie, and I doubt DC would want to waste their two biggest characters in one movie when they could make separate Superman and Batman movies and make twice as many dollars. Killing Joke is a bit short to really make a movie out of it and I dont think Arkham Asylum would make for much of a movie either, I mean, most of its appeal just comes from how twisted it is, it doesn't really have much depth to it. Its just a tour through Batman's rogues gallery and an incontinent version of Two Face.

Long Halloween would make a pretty decent movie I reckon. Its got a lot to do with the mobsters and with Carmine Falcone, and its a Two Face origin story at the same time. They'd need to play with it a bit and drop a swag of the un-necessary villians, but it'd fit pretty good with the style they seem to be going for with the new movies. It happens vaguely at about the same time as the movie(s) following Batman Begins would happen too, being that its a kind of follow up to Year One and Batman Begins was based on/inspired by Year One.

Well theres "originally done" and then theres canon, and retconning and elseworlds and blah blah blah.

Yeah, actually, with regards to that, is there any "official" answer to who killed Bruce Wayne's parents? I was under the impression it was Joe Chill, like they did in Batman Begins, but then I was reading Superman/Batman and hes once again back to now knowing who it was? Do writers just randomly decide these things on the fly or what?

Do writers just randomly decide these things on the fly or what?

yes.

and maybe whoever was asking about the joker being made and killed in the first movie, consider batman begins as a prequal

Yea that was me....i thought it was a prequal.I thought it was sorta too soon for remakes of the Batman movies.Next thing they'll be remaking the LOTR trilogy.

i reckon that one would slot in perfectly behind the others and just leave it. if they do make more at least have the riddler. robin would be alright if it was done good but i dont get the point of his mask. its like supermans way of hiding his identity.

They should make a new Batman tv series, one that is darker like Batman Begins. They could do some really detailed story arcs then that just couldn't be tackled in a movie. They could do stuff like No Man's Land and Knightfall and War Games then, that'd truly rock.

I reckon Brad Pitt could do a good Harvey Dent/Two Face actually. I mean, hes cool and charismatic enough to play a good Harvey Dent, and once he becomes Two Face, there'd be a very distinct dichotomy between the pretty Brad Pitt side and the grotesquely disfigured side. Plus, hes a pretty decent actor and he can do angry and psycho well enough to pull off the whole villian thing. Two-face isn't really all that crazy though, even though hes got a couple of personalities, hes pretty rational most of the time, just really pissed off.

Yeah, I'm bored.

They should make a new Batman tv series,

Your best hope would be more cartoons, the dark knight ones were usually good value when i caught them. I remember one where the Joker cut some dude off while driving and then the guy started road raging him.. hijinks ensued.

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reckon that one would slot in perfectly behind the others and just leave it. if they do make more at least have the riddler. robin would be alright if it was done good but i dont get the point of his mask. its like supermans way of hiding his identity.

i was sad as i walked out of the movie because it was so cool, and made the others look so lame. i thought it was a prequal and that was it.

really happy they are making more.

John Travolta as Harvey Dent. Kthnx

Joaquin Phoenix is an awesome choice for The Joker, he would fit in perfectly with the rest of the cast.

I heard they were going to call the next one "Batman Continues" ;)

I think No Mans Land would be cool, but I think it wouldn't make for a good movie (or TV series) simply because a lot of the time there'd be no batman. I couldn't see people being happy in a cinema watching a Batman film where he doesn't show up till the last half hour. Actually... No Man's Land would be too "big" for a movie I think. It'd have to be a series. And even then there'd be a few episodes with no Batman.

I really hope the Superman movie does well (and is decent). My fervent desire is to see a "World's Finest" movie in the not too distant future. The character differences between Supes and Batman play well together. I'd also love to see a JLA movie (hey they did X-Men!) but I think they should start with World's Finest.

Ok help me here....will he be playing the Joker before the Joker was created,because the way i remember it,the Joker was "made" and "killed" in the first Batman.Or are they ignoring all the previous Batman movies that have been made (which is a good idea when you think about arnie as Mr Freeze)

The killing of the joker was hollywoodism and should be forgotten.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/654/654139p1.html

link to ign article that states the sequel could be called Batman Strikes or Batman Attacks

im glad they are doing the darker side of batman movies now. the original was cool but the rest were too... kiddy i guess? in the end they became stupid. however ask for the joker, finding one better than jack nicholson will be tough since they did such a good job the first time round. heh i'd personaly like to see what robin williams would do to the character but i think he would make it a bit to over acted. i'd have to go with michael keton though. i just dont see Mr pheonix doing a good job of it. ive never seen in him anything but thrillers so ive never seen his lighter side

Robin Williams is too crazy for the joker, he might make a pretty good Jervis Tetch/Mad Hatter though, but I can't see them ever using the Mad Hatter in a batman movie, hes kind of a crappy villian.

I'd also love to see a JLA movie (hey they did X-Men!)

A JLA movie would be cool, but I dont think you're going to see it happen, for the same reason I dont think you're ever going to see an Avengers movie happen. With the X-Men, pretty much all the characters dont exist outside of X-Men. Like, Cyclops doesn't run around by himself and fight his own set of villians and have his own set of adventures. But with teams like the JLA they're wasting too many big licenses. I mean you could take at least The Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, and maybe even Hawkman if you really wanted to, and make a separate movie about each one (and Batman, Superman and soon Wonder Woman already all have their own movies anyway). I mean, it'd be really cool, but I can't see them doing it when they could make so much more $$$ making separate movies about each character.

Unless you made a JLA movie using the old 80's JLA full of rejected superheroes nobody cares about like Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, characters which just aren't interesting enough to stand on their own. I mean, the most interesting thing Blue Beetle has ever done was get shot in the head at the end of Countdown. But then, who wants to go see a movie full of crappy superheroes?

With the X-Men, pretty much all the characters dont exist outside of X-Men. Like, Cyclops doesn't run around by himself and fight his own set of villians and have his own set of adventures.

With the obvious exception of Wolverine. Who, IIRC, is getting his own moie.

I wouldn't have said Williams was too nutty to play the Joker. After all the Joker goes from mildly psychotic to fullon bat-$hit depending on the story. After seeing a couple of Williams more recent flicks where he plays hateful weirdos (instead of loveable weirdos) I think he'd make a good joker. Ironically I think Christian Bale would make an even better Joker.

I don't mind movies that go a little different to the source material but killing the Joker was crazy. Heck killing or completely changing any major character for the movie bugs the hell out of me (Catwoman anyone?). I'm surprised they didn't turn Robin into a girl for the Hollywood version. It's the sort of thing I'd expect from them.

Wolverine warrants his own flick. The first movie was really driven by him with the other characters being mainly support. Even the second tended to focus more on Wolverine (although not as much as the first movie).

As for the JLA, while GL, GA, Flash, Hawkman and WW all have their own books they are nowhere near as popular as the big two (Supes and Batman). I'd love to see movies featuring all those characters. But I doubt we'll get them (with the exception of Wonder Woman) because I don't think they've got the solo pulling power. Which is a real pity because GL particularly would be a visual effects showcase... GL -v- Sinestro coming up with the wildest and most spectacular ring constructs. Mmmm...

Anyway, I think the only way we'll see most of the characters would be to go for a JLA movie. Whether that ever happens probably depends on the licensing. If the movie company could pay a license fee for "the JLA" they could do it. If they had to pay per character it'd be an astronomical cost just for the big three (Supes, Bats and WW).

I wouldn't have thought Avengers would have too many problems either. The only character there that has much solo popularity is Thor. Unless they've changed the Avengers line up drastically since I was reading it...

I dont really read much Marvel, but aren't Iron Man and Captain America are Avengers aren't they? I think that was the sticking point, cos they both have their own movies in the works.

And yeah, a GL movie would rock, I'm kinda suprised there isn't one in the works actually. It'd be packed full to the gills with CG, but then I'm a sucker for eye candy, so that'd rock me :P

I hope to god robin never makes it into the reinvented Batman franchise, as for other DC characters, Superman and Batman are the only interesting ones, Wonder Woman? the Flash? pfft

i think as long as robin williams kept all those crazy jokes to a minimum he would do well since he is just naturaly nuts. as for the wolverine film, im not sure if im for or against it. i guess they could make one with him fighting sabertooth and how they came to hate each other so much since i never understood that.

Have you noticed though that most the superhero movies...Fantastic Four,Spiderman 1 and 2,Batman 1 and 2 etc...seem to kill off the villain at the end of the movies.Not like the comics or the cartoon/tv shows where they escape or are captured only to come back in a later episode/adventure.If they keep killing them off who's gonna be left to fight??

At least Batman Begins didn't kill off the Scarecrow.

its quite sad that in movies, the bad guy 95% of the time gets killed at the end. no matter what type of movie it is the bad guy always gets it. just ONCE, id like to see a movie where the bad guy wins.

seem to kill off the villain at the end of the movies.Not like the comics or the cartoon/tv shows where they escape or are captured only to come back in a later episode/adventure.If they keep killing them off who's gonna be left to fight??

Um.. have you read a comic? How many times has Norman Osborn "died".

just ONCE, id like to see a movie where the bad guy wins.

Watch Arlington Road...

Also, in Fantastic Four, didn't they infer at the end that the bad guy isn't really dead?

yer but he didnt really "win" did he?

Its a comic book story though, in comic books dying is just a minor inconvinience.

Have you noticed though that most the superhero movies...Fantastic Four,Spiderman 1 and 2,Batman 1 and 2 etc...seem to kill off the villain at the end of the movies.Not like the comics or the cartoon/tv shows where they escape or are captured only to come back in a later episode/adventure.If they keep killing them off who's gonna be left to fight??

Yeah, I vaguely remember reading an interview with Christopher Nolan before Batman Begins came out, and he was talking about how all the previous Batman movies had killed the villians and how he saw this as one of their biggest flaws and how he wasn't going to do that.

just ONCE, id like to see a movie where the bad guy wins.

Saw
Usual Suspects

the bad guy wins in seven, even though he dies.

just ONCE, id like to see a movie where the bad guy wins.

Identity, Fahrenheit 9/11

Um.. have you read a comic? How many times has Norman Osborn "died".

I stopped reading comics about 13 years ago...wasnt into spiderman.Wolverine was my fav.

And even if they killed Ras Al Ghul (sp?) he could come back. After all that was his claim to fame - the lazarus pit. He died they dropped him in the pit and he came back to life.

As for why Wolverine hates Sabertooth... from memory they were both in WeaponX together and Sabertooth is basically a monster. Where Wolverine is trying to keep his bestial impulses under control Sabertooth revels in them. He murdered numerous people in Wolverine's life so it's kinda expected that they're enemies.

Khel, you're probably right about Iron Man and Captain America. I think last time I was reading Avengers they weren't in it. But they probably come and go and an Avengers movie without them would be kinda weak.